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Fingerstyle sounds terrible after playing with a pick!

#121
Lobster11 said:
Go back and re-read your previous post, in which you referred to us (or some subset of us) as "kids" who are behaving like "clones" who are just "trying to act cool & fit in on the internet." Do you not see why this might be interpreted as insulting?
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Pretty sure that was at least partially aimed at me, 'cause, I, using the parlance of our time, said "vids or it didn't happen," a common turn of phrase on message boards and the like. The fact that I'm hip to the lingo caused @Vinny Tomassetti to believe that I (presumably among others) am a "clone" and make some ignorant comments, when in reality, I got 50% of my genetic material from each of my parents, obviously excluding the mitochondria, for which I have wholly to thank my mother. What our friend Vinny doesn't realize is that his post is completely irrelevant to the conversation, and dropping into a random thread to complain about group-think is more generic Internet behavior than anything else posted in this thread.

We wish him well, and will consider his posts with less regard in the future, on the odd chance we remember him at all. He is, afterall, just another silly, angry man on a great big internet.
 
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#122
ninjaaron said:
Pretty sure that was at least partially aimed at me, 'cause, I, using the parlance of our time, said "vids or it didn't happen," a common turn of phrase on message boards and the like. The fact that I'm hip to the lingo caused @Vinny Tomassetti to believe that I (presumably among others) am a "clone" and make some ignorant comments, when in reality, I got 50% of my genetic material from each of my parents, obviously excluding the mitochondria, for which I have wholly to thank my mother. What our friend Vinny doesn't realize is that his post is completely irrelevant to the conversation, and dropping into a random thread to complain about group-think is more generic Internet behavior than anything else posted in this thread.

We wish him well, and will consider his posts with less regard in the future, on the odd chance we remember him at all. He is, afterall, just another silly, angry man on a great big internet.
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Well spoken, I dont have a dog in that conflict, but I do appreciate good linguists. But moving back to your previous post, I did post a vid a few pages back where my pick has busted halfway into the song, so I switched to fingers. It sounds pretty much the same before and after the switch. Idk, see what you think. I do think the volume drops a bit, hard to tell though, its a downtuned project and I have to really whale the piss out of the strings with fingers to get a similar sound of a pick. for that type of project, to get the desired tone of mine, its just much easier to use a pick.
 
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#125
davy4575 said:
lol, that is quite possible. I have the attention span of a border collie on crack chasing a squirrel

pick breaks at about 2 mins

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I do think I noticed a slight difference in tone after you dropped the pick, but it's hard to tell from the video, so we could just chalk it up to the fact that I expected it to sound different and my brain told my ears what to hear. You did a good job of coping and keep the vibe going in any case. Cool song. Tool fans much? ;)

That guitar player has the Adam Jones thing down cold; silverburst LP and all, and the tone is perfect. You seem to be getting there with the Chancellor vibe too. The drummer... well, your drummer is good, but who can really imitate Danny? The man stands alone.
 
#127
This was your reply to CaptOvious who said that he could get a pick sound with his fingers:
ninjaaron said:
No you can't, but I guess it's close enough for the audience. Even a fingernail, which does sound a bit like a pick, only sounds like a light pick with a rounded edge. A thick pick with a point will sound much different. roughen up the edges with sandpaper and you get yet another sound that is absolutely impossible to achieve with fingers. (some picks come with rough edges just for this reason). Different thicknesses, shapes, materials, bevels, etc. all have a subtle effect on pick sound, as does grip and angle. They aren't as versatile as fingers, but they do provide a pallet of unique sounds.

In any event, it's not like something anyone actually has to choose. It is not difficult to pick up or put down a pick.
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Actually ninja, I jumped in the conversation after the above, saying this:
"Ninja, I don't care if you or anyone else needs a pick to accomplish certain sounds, but Capt.Obvious was right that it is possible to get pretty much any sound you get with a pick with your fingers. Just because you can't, doesn't mean other people can't. As far as you comment about a finger nail sounding like a light pick with rounded edges.... well that all depends on how thick a persons fingernails are, how you cut them, the angle and place they are picking at, etc....

Take a few years & experiment more on achieving different tones with you fingers & you'll understand that a lot more is possible than you think.

& you may like a picked sound for Rock N Roll, but Rock N Roll bass started with an upright, so that if anything is the Authentic way. Like I said in another post, I don't care what you or anyone else does just don't be insecure about or try to tell someone that something they have already accomplished is impossible."

Which has everything to do with the topic, because Capt. Obvious & myself were both talking about the the fact that there are techniques to get a sound of a pick. When you have an attitude telling people they can't do something because you & your couple bass playing buddies haven't put in enough time doing it(maybe you or them don't really have that much interest in doing it, which is fine, but others do). Then follow up with "vids or it didn't happen", a internet clone comment, then yeah I'm going to call you out on it.

My main initial point that you missed was: Don't have an ego, & that each one of us probably has techniques that we could all learn from. Open your mind, try new things. If people tell you they can do certain things, then maybe they can.
 
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#128
Vinny Tomassetti said:
This was your reply to CaptOvious who said that he could get a pick sound with his fingers:

Actually ninja, I jumped in the conversation after the above, saying this:
"Ninja, I don't care if you or anyone else needs a pick to accomplish certain sounds, but Capt.Obvious was right that it is possible to get pretty much any sound you get with a pick with your fingers. Just because you can't, doesn't mean other people can't. As far as you comment about a finger nail sounding like a light pick with rounded edges.... well that all depends on how thick a persons fingernails are, how you cut them, the angle and place they are picking at, etc....

Take a few years & experiment more on achieving different tones with you fingers & you'll understand that a lot more is possible than you think.

& you may like a picked sound for Rock N Roll, but Rock N Roll bass started with an upright, so that if anything is the Authentic way. Like I said in another post, I don't care what you or anyone else does just don't be insecure about or try to tell someone that something they have already accomplished is impossible."

Which has everything to do with the topic, because Capt. Obvious & myself were both talking about the the fact that there are techniques to get a sound of a pick. When you have an attitude telling people they can't do something because you & your couple bass playing buddies haven't put in enough time doing it(maybe you or them don't really have that much interest in doing it, which is fine, but others do). Then follow up with "vids or it didn't happen", a internet clone comment, then yeah I'm going to call you out on it.

My main initial point that you missed was: Don't have an ego, & that each one of us probably has techniques that we could all learn from. Open your mind, try new things. If people tell you they can do certain things, then maybe they can.
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All I hear you saying is "I don't have proof of my claims."
 
#129
Ninja, if you'd like to come up to Philly I'd be glad to teach you some different picking techniques. You can also catch me in Southern California next week & the week after. We can meet up after NAMM & or in between sessions. I'll probably be up in New York in Feb. if you'd like to meet up then. Any of these places you want to meet up would suit me fine, then we could film it too with you in the video with me. So let's make it happen kid!
 
#131
Occasionally. When you're not too busy making cheese, hit me up & we can make this happen. I'll even make sure you get fed well too, cause it looks like all that knowledge that you have of what can't be done isn't putting food in your mouth.
 
#132
Wow. As the OP, quite overwhelming to go through all these largely irrelevant posts. My "problem" still remains. Unless I turn the tone knob on my P's down to 2/3 to rock with a pick and then dime the tone knob when back to my fingers, I find that volume aside, the tone just seems lifeless and empty. YMMV, I guess, but this is what I seemingly have to do to get the tone I want.
 
#133
I just joined a band playing the music of early REM. Nailing those cool Mike Mills parts requires a pick. Even though I come from a guitar background, I worked so hard on getting my bass fingerstyle together that picking was a challenge for a good while. Now I'm glad I added it to the quiver. There's a certain drive that using a pick really favors. Definitely need to re-EQ the rig though, when switching techniques. That's really noticeable to me when the guitarist busts into, say, a Zep tune at the end of REM rehearsal. Instantly switching to fingers doesn't sound right. It's worth the effort though, IMO.
 

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