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Flats on a jazz?

Who has done it and what was the result?

  • Never done it. Sounds like a stupid idea.

    Votes: 4 1.4%
  • Never done it. Doesn't sound very interesting.

    Votes: 15 5.4%
  • Never done it, but now I want to!

    Votes: 11 4.0%
  • Tried it and hated it.

    Votes: 14 5.1%
  • Tried it and it was okay.

    Votes: 59 21.4%
  • Tried it and loved it!!!

    Votes: 173 62.7%

  • Total voters
    276
No offense, but this is a silly question. Jazz basses were developed using flatwounds.
That much is possible - Fender Mastersound Flatwounds did appear in 1959 - but not a given.
Rounds or any other kind of string variation didn't appear for about another 10 years.
This is the internet forum vulgate, but it is incorrect.

Going backwards:
- John Entwistle famously developed and endorsed the Rotosound Swing Bass set in late '66, but he did so because
- he'd used a Danelectro Longhorn and fallen in love with it and the Black Diamond roundwound strings it came stock with (possibly ever since its introduction in 1958 and earlier with the UB-2 six-string bass), also available in shops as replacement sets at least in part of the US; and
- because James How &Co. had actually been making stainless steel roundwounds since 1962; they were probably hard to find even in the UK, except in nylon tapewound version (How initially made them for Burns of London bass models around '62-'63, and the sets were also sold in shops under that marque, before the 1966 introduction of Rotosound-branded Tru Bass black nylons)
- what about other basses from the Fifties? Rickenbacker had a deal with German company Maxima (now Optima) that supplied them with nickel flatwounds; ditto for Höfner, with their Pyramid-made flats; of early Kay or Gibson bass strings I regrettably know zilch.
As regards pre-1959 Fender, you're in for a surprise: the sole bass-guitar string set they marketed back then, the No. 90 Pure Nickel,
-- has been declared to be as "#notflatwound" by Fender historian Terry Foster
-- was still made twenty+ years later, and at that point simply described as "roundwound" by Ernie Ball in their 1977 string gauge guide, listing their own offerings compared to those of the then-current competition
-- was recently acquired, in its early CBS ('66-) incarnation, by TB member @TwototheValley and shown, with photographic proof, to be
definitely roundwound, labelled as nickel (and certainly looks and feels like it to me), and also (if I’m not mistaken) appears to be multicore like the 850’s I posted above. Yes, the silks are different colours at each end (interesting, as I can’t recall another example of different coloured silks on bass strings from this era).
He further adds
Now, given this isn’t an actual string from the 50’s it’s not conclusive proof regarding the structure of the “original” Fender strings….but assuming that the design of the No. 90 set remained consistent since its inception (which I would contend is a reasonable assumption), it is at the very least (and in the absence of any detailed photographs from Mr Terry Foster of the 1950s No. 90 set in his possession), highly suggestive.

- By the way, pre-Fender electric bass guitars by Paul Turmarc (1936) and his son Bud (late 1940s) also wore roundwounds.
 
If you try flatwounds then, the next question will be, which brand and model do you try? Not all flatwound strings sound the same. For example, I have a set of Ernie Ball Cobalt flatwounds on one of my Jazz Basses and it is a perfect fit. That is one example of a good combo for me. If you try one model of flatwound strings and it does not work for you, don't dismissed flats immediately. You might have to try a few sets from different manufacturers before you find the one that best fit your Jazz Bass. It is a journey. Enjoy!
That is a half million dollar endeavor you are suggesting... LOL :)
 
That much is possible - Fender Mastersound Flatwounds did appear in 1959 - but not a given.

This is the internet forum vulgate, but it is incorrect.

Going backwards:
- John Entwistle famously developed and endorsed the Rotosound Swing Bass set in late '66, but he did so because
- he'd used a Danelectro Longhorn and fallen in love with it and the Black Diamond roundwound strings it came stock with (possibly ever since its introduction in 1958 and earlier with the UB-2 six-string bass), also available in shops as replacement sets at least in part of the US; and
- because James How &Co. had actually been making stainless steel roundwounds since 1962; they were probably hard to find even in the UK, except in nylon tapewound version (How initially made them for Burns of London bass models around '62-'63, and the sets were also sold in shops under that marque, before the 1966 introduction of Rotosound-branded Tru Bass black nylons)
- what about other basses from the Fifties? Rickenbacker had a deal with German company Maxima (now Optima) that supplied them with nickel flatwounds; ditto for Höfner, with their Pyramid-made flats; of early Kay or Gibson bass strings I regrettably know zilch.
As regards pre-1959 Fender, you're in for a surprise: the sole bass-guitar string set they marketed back then, the No. 90 Pure Nickel,
-- has been declared to be as "#notflatwound" by Fender historian Terry Foster
-- was still made twenty+ years later, and at that point simply described as "roundwound" by Ernie Ball in their 1977 string gauge guide, listing their own offerings compared to those of the then-current competition
-- was recently acquired, in its early CBS ('66-) incarnation, by TB member @TwototheValley and shown, with photographic proof, to be

He further adds


- By the way, pre-Fender electric bass guitars by Paul Turmarc (1936) and his son Bud (late 1940s) also wore roundwounds.
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The Thomastik flats are just about perfect on my Suhr classic jazz. The warmth, clarity, harmonic information, how well they sit in a mix - it’s all there (and they’re not even all the way broken in).

(I’ve tried quite a few flats and rounds on this bass. Before the TIs, DR Legends and Nickel lo riders worked the best. But the TIs just have that thing that makes you want to pick up the bass and play it.)
 
The Thomastik flats are just about perfect on my Suhr classic jazz. The warmth, clarity, harmonic information, how well they sit in a mix - it’s all there (and they’re not even all the way broken in).

(I’ve tried quite a few flats and rounds on this bass. Before the TIs, DR Legends and Nickel lo riders worked the best. But the TIs just have that thing that makes you want to pick up the bass and play it.)
Selim, I believe you are a Sadowsky Black Label flats aficionado (I certainly have been for many years). Have you tried the blacks on your Suhr? I have them on one of my Sadowskys (as well as an old P), and have gotten some of my favorite tones with that combo
 
My late 60’s wears Fender flats, time and place goes without saying but this is a great combo. :thumbsup:
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Selim, I believe you are a Sadowsky Black Label flats aficionado (I certainly have been for many years). Have you tried the blacks on your Suhr? I have them on one of my Sadowskys (as well as an old P), and have gotten some of my favorite tones with that combo
I have not. I have only one very used set of the blacks left and they haven’t been on a bass in a while - that set has been used on a few basses. The last time I used them they still intonated fine, so I assume they’re still good.

Your idea of trying them on the Suhr is a good one! I’ve tried 3 or 4 different sets of flats on that bass and the Thomastiks are the first set of flats that make me want to pick that bass up and play it. The Suhr is an excellent bass and one of my two main basses, the other being a modded 90s Fernandes jazz..
 
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Selim, I believe you are a Sadowsky Black Label flats aficionado (I certainly have been for many years). Have you tried the blacks on your Suhr? I have them on one of my Sadowskys (as well as an old P), and have gotten some of my favorite tones with that combo
Thanks I took your suggestion. My last set of very well used but still good set that have been sitting in the drawer for years are now on my Suhr classic jazz. They are like coming home after a long tour. Wish I had done it sooner!