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Floppy B Strings

Wow!! I last posted in this thread over 9 years ago!! :eek:

What's funny is that I was killing time on TB between calls last night, and I thought... "What's the oldest thread I could find". Then I worked my way back to find something I could revive, that is still relevant today. Apparently... The Floppy B is still relevant.

When this thread was created, some TBers were in pre-school. Bill Clinton was president. Rush had not played a show in three years (and wouldn't for another two). But the B flopped then, and the B flops now! :D
 
Well my thunderbass ET5 got great B string and tension.
Never tried peavy 6 string, but thunderbass got really good 5th. I think better than bongo and stingray.
well, really tight one is Dingwal.

Nah...the bass is really the whole thing. Sure, a higher gauge will sometimes help, but not always.
My Pedulla Thunderbass 5 has a meh B string.
My buddy's cheap Peavey 6 string has an absolutely killer B string.
We use the same strings. Difference?
 
I have an ESP B-305 and a MM Bongo 6, the ESP is strung with Dr Black Beauties, and the Bongo is strung with the standard EB Slinkys for now until I feel like changing them both are a 34 inch scale.

The DRs have a width of 125 on the B, and the Slinkys have 130 width, and the low B feels much better on the Bongo than it does the ESP, but neither really feel "Floppy"
 

Yep.

If a boutique price and quality level is claimed to be required to cover a consistency problem between strings, I'm less inclined to blame the bass and am more suspicious of the player.

Even I have never been able to replicate any such problem in my normal playing. So I'm naturally pretty skeptical.

If I can play a $500 bass with a consistent sound between the B and the others, anyone can....

LS
 
Yep.

If a boutique price and quality level is claimed to be required to cover a consistency problem between strings, I'm less inclined to blame the bass and am more suspicious of the player.

Even I have never been able to replicate any such problem in my normal playing. So I'm naturally pretty skeptical.

If I can play a $500 bass with a consistent sound between the B and the others, anyone can....

LS

One of these days, you need to play a boutique bass that's made and set-up well to erase your notion that all basses are flawed. Somehow I sense that'll never happen......

I hate to sound like a snob, but the idea that the bassist must serve the bass is horribly outdated. You can get a $500 bass to sound good. I'm not going to start a urination match, but I have 2 6ers and 4 5ers that require ZERO adjustment of technique between the B and E strings. In fact, I've gotten many compliments that my B string was the best they had ever heard, which got me many spots in bands. I'll compromise my technique to a certain extent, but not because of flaws in bass/string design. There's simply no reason, other than bragging how good you sound on a $500 bass.
 
I own a Marcus Miller 5, a Gibson Tobais and a BTB. The floppest B string goes to the MM5. I was surprised how tight the B on BTB is. The Tobias comes in close second. My next purchase will be a Sadowsky. I played my former instructors Metro and can't get it off my mind!!! My MM5 will become my backup bass.
 
When a sting's gauge increases, it's mass (weight) also increases therefore it's tendnecy to be "floppy" increases. E strings are floppier than G strings and B stings are floppier than E strings. Technique is the only cure for the difference in these strings. If your going to bang wildly on the B string, do your banging near the bridge.

this does seem to make sense. but on my acoustic guitar the jump from 11's to 12's to 13's sees an incredible increase in tension.

well, anyway I had already got a set of strings before reading this thread bumping up my usual 45's (current set is GHS) to EB 50's. I just put them on and it feels a little tighter... I'll be playing like crazy today prepping for a gig tomorrow so we'll see once they are broken in...

fwiw I feel a ridiculously huge difference between my mia P and my mia jazz 5 on all strings. something must be the cause in this??
 
the thing with low-B's is: there are just very few brands that make
good low-B's (tension wise), i tried about every brand and only these
brands had non-floppy low-B's:

1. Ernie Ball .130 and .135 (all types)
2. D'addario .130 and .135 (all types)
3. La bella .128 (all types except the flatwounds)
4. DR .130 (all types, except the "Long necks")
5. Elixir .130 (only the non-tapered)
6. Warwick .135

and this is really all good there is (unfortunately)

but what really makes the string is the point were it starts:

the thickness from the core!
 
the thing with low-B's is: there are just very few brands that make
good low-B's (tension wise), i tried about every brand and only these
brands had non-floppy low-B's:

1. Ernie Ball .130 and .135 (all types)
2. D'addario .130 and .135 (all types)
3. La bella .128 (all types except the flatwounds)
4. DR .130 (all types, except the "Long necks")
5. Elixir .130 (only the non-tapered)
6. Warwick .135

and this is really all good there is (unfortunately)

but what really makes the string is the point were it starts:

the thickness from the core!

I dunno...have you tried R. Coccos?

I just put those on my new (to me) Ibby BTB455 and the B is no floppier than the E. The bass came with Elixers, and they felt like .45-.130 eels!
 
One of these days, you need to play a boutique bass that's made and set-up well to erase your notion that all basses are flawed. Somehow I sense that'll never happen......

??
I have no notion that all basses are flawed. I have a notion that some are flawed and some of those (perhaps many) are boutiques that shouldn't have those flaws at those price points, but in no way does that mean I think "all basses are flawed".
I have no idea where you got this.

We might quibble about what we mean by "flawed", but I don't think we're too far apart on that.

I hate to sound like a snob, but the idea that the bassist must serve the bass is horribly outdated. You can get a $500 bass to sound good. I'm not going to start a urination match, but I have 2 6ers and 4 5ers that require ZERO adjustment of technique between the B and E strings. In fact, I've gotten many compliments that my B string was the best they had ever heard, which got me many spots in bands. I'll compromise my technique to a certain extent, but not because of flaws in bass/string design. There's simply no reason, other than bragging how good you sound on a $500 bass.

Again, I think you're describing a struggle with a problem in the bass that just simply doesn't exist in the bass. At the very least, I can't seem to replicate it personally unless I go out of my way to do so (play near neck, really wail on strings, etc). So I'm a little skeptical that your apparent fix - ever more and different, expensive boutique basses - is really a fix. In fact, I'm generally always skeptical when I hear a player claim, as you're apparently doing here, that their technique is so nuanced and advanced that only the most expensive, esoteric equipment is sufficient to exploit it to its full potential, etc. - the problem is usually the player in those cases and not the equipment.

Maybe in extreme cases with really crappy strings for example, but otherwise I just don't see it myself. For sure, I've never heard any of you guys sound any better on the Fodera A. Jackson or etc. than on the "lesser" stuff like a bolt neck carvin or even the lowly Fender Jazz. That's really the smoking gun.

Even the very mediocre (er in fact, kinda awful) strings that came on my Carvin Bunny yesterday don't give me any trouble after finishing up its setup this morning (well, beyond the kind of rubber band sound they have in general so I might eventually need to change them). I can get a nice chug out of the B the usual way with a light touch right over the humbucker at the bridge - my usual technique I use on all my basses. Again, if I can get a decent sound out of a B anyone can.

That's a major advantage of being a mediocre player like I am - limited susceptibility to the fix-problem-with-expensive-gear syndrome. My Bunny is as extravagant as I've had to ever get and it was mainly to fill a fit/range need that I have. Sure enough, even tho I can play a wider range of notes without crunching my wrist, I still sound like me (unfortunately) even $1300 later. And no floppy B problem that I can tell (tho again these strings just sound bad in general)...

LS