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Fodera Club Part II

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lamarjones said:
You can't ignore that for a number of Fodera players, there is no lust to br cured. That is a huge statement in itself especially given the caliber of players that are happy with their foderas. Anyone can get caught in a pissing match saying this is better or that is better but that means very little when you are talking about how well a tool performs. It should be clear what a fan of Fodera would say and why they would say it instead of having to argue the merits ofwhy it was said in the first place. Better to judge by the quality of their fanbase than merits of words spoken by humans, which is always a setup for a failed conversation on qualitative measurements, but of course a reoccuring theme on the topic of who's the best luthier or even whose the best band. Suffice to say it's evident they hit a mastery level, past that it's oranges vs bananas, and some people just don't like citric acid.
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:confused: I'm sorry, I can barely understand your post the way it is written. But I'll try to respond;

"It should be clear what a fan of Fodera would say and why they would say it instead of having to argue the merits of why it was said in the first place"?

Huh? Dont ever question what a Fodera fan says about their Fodera even when comparisons are made with other brands?

" Better to judge by the quality of their fanbase than merits of words spoken by humans...?"

?? You judge a brand by who plays them or who and how many people buy the music of the people who play them?
Even if I just distilled it to 25% what you meant to say then FENDER would be the king of basses on both counts lol.

" You cant ignore that for a number of Fodera players there is no lust to be cured"?

Huh? Same can be said for a number of Sadowsky fanatics, MTD players, Ken Smith guys, and a host of other brands. There are many Fodera players that own other intstruments , and there are many other world class players that dont play Foderas that only play " their brand". Your arguments are weak IMO.
I think Pope put forth a much better response in that there may be inheritantly no need to be thoroughly fair to every other brand available. If you find something that starts off being consistantly to your favor above anything else for you then thats the road and bias you go down and take on. Thats just human and even makes alot of practical sense. I can live with and be at peace with that much more than the " look who plays 'em and their fan base", and the "Fodera people dont buy or play other instruments", and the oft -waxed " you just dont get it " stuff that permeates not just Fodera threads but others as well.

BTW, I think many Foderas are GREAT basses. Thats my opinion from only my experience, and only for me.
 
#644
78Jazzlover said:
Huh? Same can be said for a number of Sadowsky fanatics, MTD players, Ken Smith guys, and a host of other brands. There are many Fodera players that own other intstruments , and there are many other world class players that dont play Foderas that only play " their brand".
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In a nutshell, that is it. You are expecting some dialogue that is really going to tell you exactly why one is better than the other, good luck getting that. I am just saying, you should know better than to look for an answer like that, but it sounds like you are pushing for it anyways. What do you expect to find here except that Fodera players are really happy with their own instrument?
 
#645
lamarjones said:
In a nutshell, that is it. You are expecting some dialogue that is really going to tell you exactly why one is better than the other, good luck getting that. I am just saying, you should know better than to look for an answer like that, but it sounds like you are pushing for it anyways. What do you expect to find here except that Fodera players are really happy with their own instrument?
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Umm..no. You seem to totally misunderstand this line of discussion in the thread. I'm not expecting anyone to tell me why one is better than the other like you think, I'm actually finding out on what basis do people really stake their comments and conclusions on. Pope gave an honest and human take on it ( he also understood the question I was posing) that goes beyond the standard response you gave which was based on your misunderstanding of the point I was raising.
I did try to respond to your points anyways :)
 
#647
78Jazzlover said:
Pope gave an honest and human take on it ( he also understood the question I was posing) that goes beyond the standard response you gave which was based on your misunderstanding of the point I was raising.
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just to be clear, i gave much the same answer as mike, albeit in a rather more rambling fashion.

perhaps, since he's a "name" guy, you think his response is more worthy? (which has some of the same issues as "name players play X bass," by the way.)

jes' saying.
 
#648
steubig said:
just to be clear, i gave much the same answer as mike, albeit in a rather more rambling fashion.

perhaps, since he's a "name" guy, you think his response is more worthy? (which has some of the same issues as "name players play X bass," by the way.)

jes' saying.
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I doubt he was discrediting your answer as much as mine, which I have no issues with.
 
#650
This is a fake.

Jason

FGY2 said:
I found a Fodera Emperor II on sale. The following pictures shows the bass in question. Comparing these pictures with a pictures on Fodera website I found some differences: preamp layout, bridge... I would like to read some opinion about the bass in question. Thanks in advance.

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#652
steubig said:
just to be clear, i gave much the same answer as mike, albeit in a rather more rambling fashion.

perhaps, since he's a "name" guy, you think his response is more worthy? (which has some of the same issues as "name players play X bass," by the way.)

jes' saying.
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:confused:

Did I say something out of turn somewhere?
 
#654
gnasher1993 said:
I doubt you for a second but I'm just wondering how you spotted that?
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Well, I'm not JustThumpin (I play some fingerstyle as well..:) ), but seriously, this is not really a good fake. Everything about this "Fedora" is out of shape. Don't even have to look at the headstock..

Still, it could be a nice bass to play, I don't know. But be careful about paying Fodera-money for a copy :)
 
#655
thepontif said:
:confused:

Did I say something out of turn somewhere?
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Mike, *not* at all. i think you and i pretty much had a parallel line of thinking and statements on this.

it was more that one was acknowledged as saying something and one wasn't . . .

again, *not* about any you had to say.

p.s. coming out to namm with joey and jason this year? sounds like i'll hanging with them there one day at least.
 
#656
Cool.

Yep, I'll be there with them and my stuff as well. I'm becoming a NAMM member and am buying a little space in the booth. But we'll all be right there together. I'll see you then, I guess?
 
#657
peterpalmieri said:
if you want a totally unbiased opinion read a magazine. If you want an opinion from fodera owners read this club thread. All this useless arguing. Not that a magazine is going to give you an unbiased opinion either.
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LOL. What are you talking about ? This is funny now.
I wonder if anyone here other than Mike Pope, Steubig, and Munji can follow a simple discussion....

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I asked a valid question that was not about asking for an opinion about Foderas in a Fodera thread or about specifically challenging people to defend why they think Fodera is the best brand of bass guitar this side of the Post-War Boom Era. It was a simple question that explored the broader base by which people come to their ideas and conclusions. After that, there were a couple of responses that answered the question and were *on topic* ( one which resonated with me specifically ), and then the rest, including this one, went off into something else.

:eek:Now its morphed into being about arguing over the merits of Fodera ( even though I've stated at least 2x that I LIKE Foderas lol)in part because I went ahead and responded to Lamarjones's post. I guess I should never have responded to that one, my apologies then. It may have led some people right back to the one- track kind of thinking they tend to need to have for some reason.

Vinny Fodera is a master luthier, many of his instruments are great ones and at the top of bass manufacturing even compared to the rising level of luthery out there these days, there are many master - level players that sound great on them and may not have been able to arrive at exactly that place on another instrument. They are not at all overpriced for players who feel that they cannot have another brand, and they are asthetically beautiful. I honestly believe all of that and hope that this belief will allow me to continue to post in the Fodera Club Thread.

:)
 
#658
thepontif said:
Cool.

Yep, I'll be there with them and my stuff as well. I'm becoming a NAMM member and am buying a little space in the booth. But we'll all be right there together. I'll see you then, I guess?
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great. sorry if it came off like i was casting aspersions. farthest thing from my mind.

congrats on your own booth. big step, no?

yeah, i'll be lurking at the fodera like i always do. see ya then.
 
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