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Fodera Club Part II

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Certainly a valid question. I have NOT spent extensive time comprehensively comparing other builders' basses to my Foderas. While many here on TB are still searching for their ultimate tone, I am not. I'm very, very fundamentally happy with my tone and the way my bass plays. Enough to have had the same bass as my only instrument for the last 9 years or so. My new one will be done fairly soon now and the changes I've made aren't earth shattering.

I've played a LOT of Foderas that I've just picked up and not spent a lot of time with. Same is true of other builders' basses. So the comparison is, in fact, apples to apples. The fact is, for me I regularly experience pleasure with almost every Fodera I pick up. And I sporadically experience that same pleasure with many other builders' basses. But there is not one other builder, whose basses consistently offer that experience. And that's what I'm talking about. With Fodera, every bass conveys the notion that it's builder really knew what he was doing, and no other builder's instruments that I've experienced do.

So I'm not just blowing wind. I think the playing field is pretty level here.

If you look at it like a marriage...you meet the right woman and you know it. If you meet a woman you like, but aren't immediately drawn to on some level, why would you feel the need to give here a fair "chance" if you already feel it's not right...unless she's your only option? If you're a grown up, you should know what you want and need. It's not about fairness. It's about a fundamental choice you're making to allow you to express yourself in easiest way possible.

On the other hand...if you do NOT know what you want or need, you should give everything/everyone a chance and see what resonates. But I think that's a much different discussion.

That's my take.


Well at least you have been honest to come out and say that its not fair....without getting into a long debate whether it should be fair or not. Maybe it shouldent be, but I think on the whole when most people make these types of post about the "sauce", the "only bass that allows their expression", Vinny having more "magic" than other luthiers etc they DO mean to say that they have given other brands a "fair" shake and thats why their conclusions are generally valid and are global. They dont ever mean to say that their conclusions are not fair or global because they dont HAVE to be .

Like I said in my other post, I really like Fodera basses so I'm not coming from a Fodera bashing place. however, I have noticed quite a bit of elitism and absolutism at times that surround Fodera, and I do agree with you , that its not fair and maybe does not have to be.
 
You can't ignore that for a number of Fodera players, there is no lust to br cured. That is a huge statement in itself especially given the caliber of players that are happy with their foderas. Anyone can get caught in a pissing match saying this is better or that is better but that means very little when you are talking about how well a tool performs. It should be clear what a fan of Fodera would say and why they would say it instead of having to argue the merits ofwhy it was said in the first place. Better to judge by the quality of their fanbase than merits of words spoken by humans, which is always a setup for a failed conversation on qualitative measurements, but of course a reoccuring theme on the topic of who's the best luthier or even whose the best band. Suffice to say it's evident they hit a mastery level, past that it's oranges vs bananas, and some people just don't like citric acid.
 
Like I said in my other post, I really like Fodera basses so I'm not coming from a Fodera bashing place. however, I have noticed quite a bit of elitism and absolutism at times that surround Fodera, and I do agree with you , that its not fair and maybe does not have to be.

Hey, when you pay that much for a bass, it has to be better than anything out there. I don't own any (yet), but I've played a few, and they do have a very distinctive sound and feel, and their construction is unsurpassed.

That said, I'm not looking for my ultimate tone, and I doubt that Fodera is going to take it to a level above that of my Sadowskys, Laklands, F Bass, MTD, Roscoe and Drozd. However, if and when I find my ulimate Fodera, you can bet it will be the best thing since oxygen. I mean, it has to be, right? Right?
 
Hi Mike,

My experience with my ebony-boarded Fodera has not been very good. It was always very problematic from the start in the sense that the frets were sticking out in winter as the ebony was shrinking and therefore needed filing. Some frets were also popping out at times making the bass impossible to play. The board had few cracks after a few years. Vinnie and Joey were kind enough to change it once for free (even though I was warned by one of the employees in a very rude way that I should have been charged for the work), but I am still having problems with it, and having it fixed almost twice a year by another luthier.

I believe I am taking decent care of the instrument trying to keep the level of humidity constant throughout the year, cleaning it properly, keeping the bass in a humidity-controlled flight case, etc. I am told by different luthiers that ebony can be problematic on fretted basses, but I guess I was a little too unlucky. After my experience, though, I would definitely stay away from it. I wish I had a different fingerboard installed the second time.

Have you had similar experience with ebony?

Cheers,

Alper


Seriously, though, I'm not looking to change the overall character of the bass except to try to get away from the pronounced midrange characteristic Koa can have. The ebony will be a lot different than Maple, obviously, and is a choice I made because of feel more than anything else. I just love playing ebony and always have. The Maple has been a love/hate relationship for me over the years. I've learned to work with it, but there's a certain "coldness" that it can have in a solo context that I'm often frustrated with.
 
Hi Mike,

My experience with my ebony-boarded Fodera has not been very good. It was always very problematic from the start in the sense that the frets were sticking out in winter as the ebony was shrinking and therefore needed filing. Some frets were also popping out at times making the bass impossible to play. The board had few cracks after a few years. Vinnie and Joey were kind enough to change it once for free (even though I was warned by one of the employees in a very rude way that I should have been charged for the work), but I am still having problems with it, and having it fixed almost twice a year by another luthier.

I believe I am taking decent care of the instrument trying to keep the level of humidity constant throughout the year, cleaning it properly, keeping the bass in a humidity-controlled flight case, etc. I am told by different luthiers that ebony can be problematic on fretted basses, but I guess I was a little too unlucky. After my experience, though, I would definitely stay away from it. I wish I had a different fingerboard installed the second time.

Have you had similar experience with ebony?

Cheers,

Alper

i had to have the fret ends filed twice in the 8 years i had my fodera because of shrinkage. i just dealt with it for a really long time between the two times i had it fixed because i wasnt really playing it. i was pretty frustrated with it along with the pinginess of the sound.
 
Alper, I know you're responding to Mike, but I've had this same experience before. My current bass has a stabalized ebony fingerboard from Larry at Gallery Hardwoods. If you ever need to replace the board I highly suggest this route. It has the same tonal qualities of ebony without the issues that you're experiencing.




Hi Mike,

My experience with my ebony-boarded Fodera has not been very good. It was always very problematic from the start in the sense that the frets were sticking out in winter as the ebony was shrinking and therefore needed filing. Some frets were also popping out at times making the bass impossible to play. The board had few cracks after a few years. Vinnie and Joey were kind enough to change it once for free (even though I was warned by one of the employees in a very rude way that I should have been charged for the work), but I am still having problems with it, and having it fixed almost twice a year by another luthier.

I believe I am taking decent care of the instrument trying to keep the level of humidity constant throughout the year, cleaning it properly, keeping the bass in a humidity-controlled flight case, etc. I am told by different luthiers that ebony can be problematic on fretted basses, but I guess I was a little too unlucky. After my experience, though, I would definitely stay away from it. I wish I had a different fingerboard installed the second time.

Have you had similar experience with ebony?

Cheers,

Alper
 
Hey Andy,

Thanks for the information. I will definitely check Gallery Hardwoods, if I decide to go back to playing my Fodera again.

Cheers,

Alper

Alper, I know you're responding to Mike, but I've had this same experience before. My current bass has a stabalized ebony fingerboard from Larry at Gallery Hardwoods. If you ever need to replace the board I highly suggest this route. It has the same tonal qualities of ebony without the issues that you're experiencing.
 
I found a Fodera Emperor II on sale. The following pictures shows the bass in question. Comparing these pictures with a pictures on Fodera website I found some differences: preamp layout, bridge... I would like to read some opinion about the bass in question. Thanks in advance.

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That looks like a knock off to me there are a few things that dont make Fodera sense:

Serial is always on the top of the headstock
Non Fodera bridge
Never saw those pickups?
Width of veneers in the 5 piece neck
3 piece heel block veneer

They have used different preamp layouts and will even go by customer request on rare occasions so that's no clue but this bass looks novice to me.

Lets see the front of the headstock!
 
I had a emperor II 5 strings, it was my first fodera.

To me this one is a fake, the serial number is not at the right place.

and often, when they sell fakes, they don't show the headstock like on this one.
Why would you do that, the buterrfly is alsoimportant lol.

ask the serial number and then try to contact fodera to see if this one is real.

but when I see the size of the serial number, to me it's clearly a fake.
 
I had a emperor II 5 strings, it was my first fodera.

To me this one is a fake, the serial number is not at the right place.

and often, when they sell fakes, they don't show the headstock like on this one.
Why would you do that, the buterrfly is alsoimportant lol.

ask the serial number and then try to contact fodera to see if this one is real.

but when I see the size of the serial number, to me it's clearly a fake.

Also - don't fodera use tuners with their "tag " on it?
A schaller 2000 bridge?- I used to have that bridge... until it broke.
I do like the facing though
 
I had a emperor II 5 strings, it was my first fodera.

To me this one is a fake, the serial number is not at the right place.

and often, when they sell fakes, they don't show the headstock like on this one.
Why would you do that, the buterrfly is alsoimportant lol.

ask the serial number and then try to contact fodera to see if this one is real.

but when I see the size of the serial number, to me it's clearly a fake.

+1.

Not a real Emperor II!
 
I found a Fodera Emperor II on sale. The following pictures shows the bass in question. Comparing these pictures with a pictures on Fodera website I found some differences: preamp layout, bridge... I would like to read some opinion about the bass in question. Thanks in advance.

Not a Fodera. No question about it.
 
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