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Fodera Club Part IX

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Sorry, no pics or video (I always feel like I'm intruding). Steve Bailey was joking that he hoped that people were recording their gig so they could sell it to him and then they could then release it as an album. It was that good and they evidently "wrote" two of the songs Friday on the bus. In fact we were hanging out in the room before they started and Steve and Lee were jamming and writing the bridge on the fly. Redonculous.
 
Ok, after two al pastor sopes from King Taco I'm much happier. Spent a couple of hours at BPL. Sort of a mini-NAMM. We saw a ridiculous show by JoStLe (Jonas Hellborg, Steve Bailey and Lee Sklar). I was lucky enough to be at Victor's BNC earlier this year so I'd met Steve there. I've never heard 3 basses be so musical all at once. Amazing stuff.

Jason and Joey were gracious with their time at the Fodera booth while I waxed philosophic and we traded some war stories. I got to spend some time with the new Emperor 5 Std. The short story is that those of you who plunked down your deposit will likely be blown away.

I'm really picky about 5-string basses. Well, I'm picky about any bass, but 5s are a challenge for me as I happily played my Zon Lightwave fretless 5 for almost a decade before I decided that I wanted/needed to change things up. I've since gone through at least a dozen high-end 5'ers looking for one that thrilled me as much as my RA Deep 5 (only one I've kept). And to be honest, I generally prefer about 18mm string spacing on a 5 and a tad narrower neck. So like the YYS, the E5Std shouldn't really be a fit for me. And like last time, I was proven wrong. If anything, the past few months have reinforced a message that people on TB (and everywhere) should stamp on their forehead: measurements and specifications mean little to nothing with regards to how well an instrument will work in someone's hands.

The E5Std has the same preamp as the YYS so I knew what to expect there. Only difference is the coil tap switch. First thing that struck me was the neck profile. It is svelte and incredibly comfortable. Now that is a subjective measure but this was on par or better than my Nordy (now sold), which previously held the prize of most comfy fretted 5 neck. The fretboard is fairly flat and/but (depending on your taste) very fast.

The B-string is perfect. Nothing bad I can say about it. It is balanced with the other strings, I didn't have to baby it (which I've had to do with some basses, especially 34" scale), I didn't have to dig into it to get it to speak. It was just like another E string, just lower in pitch. Clarity was great up the neck, which is a key factor for me on a 5-string. I don't play 5s mainly to get the low notes (those are a bonus). I play it to get extra notes in any given position. That is helpful when reading charts or at the end of a long night when I don't want to have to stretch to the nut.

Balance seated was perfect. I didn't have it on a strap so I can't comment on that. The sound...well, it sounds like a Fodera with dual coils. That said, I instantly fell in love with the bridge pup. It has the snarl of a single coil when you dig in but has enough beef to stand on its own without extra eq. You can get a nice fat neck pup tone, especially when you roll the tone off, but to me this thing would kill for chords/comping, then diving low to smack a few groove notes off the walls.

Downside? Only one I could really find is that I'm not a gold hardware kinda guy. Just not my aesthetic. And no, I didn't put down my deposit because I've got a pair of 5-string Skjolds that are in progress along with a Deep 4 and some other things in the hopper so I'm at my limits on that. But I could easily see trying to grab one if one of the Skjolds doesn't work out. Then again, maybe I should hedge my bets and get in line for one now :D

Apologies if the above sounds fanboi. At age 50 I'm far from a gushing teenager (I leave that for my son), but every once in awhile you have instruments that come across your transom that really speak to you. My RA and my YYS are in that camp. The E5Std is definitely a special instrument.

i really did dig the neck shape of my old emperor 5 string. it was just too wide and too flat of a board for my hands to deal with in the end. you'd probably really dig the neck on my nordy. i had carey match the profile on my fernandes 5 that i reshaped. when he played the fern his comment was that it was very fodera'ish. i guess i inadvertently matched my old emerors profile in that its thinner in the upper register but still rounded. that combined with the narrow nut and 17mm spacing makes for super comfy (or cramped depending on your hands!) i dont really get along with necks that are thinner in the high register but are flattish in the center with thicker shoulders.

i do miss having a bass with that dual coil sound too!
 
Thanks very much for the kind words. It was a real pleasure meeting you in person!

Glad you enjoyed the E5S. You sounded great with it. Off to the airport for the Red Eye back home!

Cheers,

J

Ok, after two al pastor sopes from King Taco I'm much happier. Spent a couple of hours at BPL. Sort of a mini-NAMM. We saw a ridiculous show by JoStLe (Jonas Hellborg, Steve Bailey and Lee Sklar). I was lucky enough to be at Victor's BNC earlier this year so I'd met Steve there. I've never heard 3 basses be so musical all at once. Amazing stuff.

Jason and Joey were gracious with their time at the Fodera booth while I waxed philosophic and we traded some war stories. I got to spend some time with the new Emperor 5 Std. The short story is that those of you who plunked down your deposit will likely be blown away.

I'm really picky about 5-string basses. Well, I'm picky about any bass, but 5s are a challenge for me as I happily played my Zon Lightwave fretless 5 for almost a decade before I decided that I wanted/needed to change things up. I've since gone through at least a dozen high-end 5'ers looking for one that thrilled me as much as my RA Deep 5 (only one I've kept). And to be honest, I generally prefer about 18mm string spacing on a 5 and a tad narrower neck. So like the YYS, the E5Std shouldn't really be a fit for me. And like last time, I was proven wrong. If anything, the past few months have reinforced a message that people on TB (and everywhere) should stamp on their forehead: measurements and specifications mean little to nothing with regards to how well an instrument will work in someone's hands.

The E5Std has the same preamp as the YYS so I knew what to expect there. Only difference is the coil tap switch. First thing that struck me was the neck profile. It is svelte and incredibly comfortable. Now that is a subjective measure but this was on par or better than my Nordy (now sold), which previously held the prize of most comfy fretted 5 neck. The fretboard is fairly flat and/but (depending on your taste) very fast.

The B-string is perfect. Nothing bad I can say about it. It is balanced with the other strings, I didn't have to baby it (which I've had to do with some basses, especially 34" scale), I didn't have to dig into it to get it to speak. It was just like another E string, just lower in pitch. Clarity was great up the neck, which is a key factor for me on a 5-string. I don't play 5s mainly to get the low notes (those are a bonus). I play it to get extra notes in any given position. That is helpful when reading charts or at the end of a long night when I don't want to have to stretch to the nut.

Balance seated was perfect. I didn't have it on a strap so I can't comment on that. The sound...well, it sounds like a Fodera with dual coils. That said, I instantly fell in love with the bridge pup. It has the snarl of a single coil when you dig in but has enough beef to stand on its own without extra eq. You can get a nice fat neck pup tone, especially when you roll the tone off, but to me this thing would kill for chords/comping, then diving low to smack a few groove notes off the walls.

Downside? Only one I could really find is that I'm not a gold hardware kinda guy. Just not my aesthetic. And no, I didn't put down my deposit because I've got a pair of 5-string Skjolds that are in progress along with a Deep 4 and some other things in the hopper so I'm at my limits on that. But I could easily see trying to grab one if one of the Skjolds doesn't work out. Then again, maybe I should hedge my bets and get in line for one now :D

Apologies if the above sounds fanboi. At age 50 I'm far from a gushing teenager (I leave that for my son), but every once in awhile you have instruments that come across your transom that really speak to you. My RA and my YYS are in that camp. The E5Std is definitely a special instrument.
 
Isn't that a New standard monarch made in the late '90's or early millennium? It looks very nice. The ones I have tried had great necks.
On the other hand there is something odd with the layout of the knobs. It appears to have the black laminate on the headstock but it is hard to make out. Butterfly?
 
The pickups look like Bartolini, and I can't make out any butterfly. It has Hipshot Ultralites, but I don't know if/when Fodera used those.

If I had $2500 and it is legit, I'd certainly consider buying, but I don't have $2500 and I don't want to bug the guy about it for that reason... I'm mainly curious if everything adds up.
 
something looks off on the body shape. Allso doesn't look like the early circuits they used... early 30's serial number
 

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Well it's obviously not an early Fodera- the headstock shape is wrong, and the sculpting at the neck bolts is too modern.

An early standard, maybe, though I've never seen one with that kind of circuit, either.

Who knows.
 
It's definitely not "one of the first 50 Monarchs" ever made, but maybe it's one of the first 50 (only 50?) of a special run.

I'm hoping Jason can shed some light... He should at least know who "Brand" is and what his connection to Fodera was at whatever point in history.
 
Considering this Empire Standard. Can anyone shed some light on:

1. angled headstock v. straight headstock? does it really affect tension/playability at all? or is it primarily just to provide access to truss rod? On the NYC bass (straight headstock), I did occasionally feel like I noticed the truss cavity under the strings, say, when popping the D string... does this bother anybody else?

2. spacing between pup and neck, for slapping? it looks pretty tight to get in there, I like to have a decent amount of space so my knuckles don't knock the pickups too much... any thoughts?

Thanks in advance.
 
Considering this Empire Standard. Can anyone shed some light on:

1. angled headstock v. straight headstock? does it really affect tension/playability at all? or is it primarily just to provide access to truss rod? On the NYC bass (straight headstock), I did occasionally feel like I noticed the truss cavity under the strings, say, when popping the D string... does this bother anybody else?

My luth told me straight headstocks save wood and labor on production costs. That's why Fenders are/were relatively less than say Gibsons.

The problem is you need the string tree to keep the strings from vibrating past the nut because they don't have any angle. I'm not sure that it has anything to do with the truss rod.

I have both headstock types and can't say they really change things much. I consider it relatively unimportant compared to other factors in bass design, like wood quality or PUPS.
 
I forgot to share this with you guys when I posted it, but I went to NYC a while ago and wrote a post about my adventure (of getting lost) in NYC while trying to get to Janek's show / bachelor party, lol. I tweeted to Janek the weekend before saying I was coming all the way from Chicago for his show / bachelor party. Although he didn't retweet me back, when I introduced myself to him, he was like "Oh, you're the guy from Chicago!" which totally made my trip :)

Btw, his new Fodera is WAY MORE STUNNING to see in person.

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