my prob with barts is the low output . . . at least for me (i use some very overwound stuff made by the guy who used to run the nordstrand custom shop). otherwise, i sort of like the mellow quality (to my ears).
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Steuart....what does overwinding a pickup do? Does it just give you more output? Doesn't it mellow the top end as well? I know you don't use a preamp so this makes sense for sure. I haven't been using a preamp in my bass (Nordstrand pre in mine doesn't do much for my bass and kills batteries fast...). I can't say I've missed having a preamp with my Barts honestly.
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emjazz said:
it gives a lot of output. i can't recall if it dampens high end or not. i don't think so, at least judging from my situation. i'm getting the harmonic of the 9th with a fair amount fromt hese things.
it definitely makes the pickups sound more agressive--slams the amp's preamp harder and helps with the effects that i use (i realized this after using a bass with my nord stuff versus a bass with barts in it). when joey and vinny heard my stuff they were pretty surprised that it was all passive.
Loads of windings do dampen topend in my experience.
It doesn't seem that a particularly "open" sound is generally the aim when using over wound pickups (or those with more rather than fewer windings).
cnltb said:
well, we'd have to sit down and compare notes. my pickups passive with no preamp sound way more open than most basses i hear with actives or passives with a preamp (which all sound compressed to me).
if anything, i feel like they have too many highs at certain points.
That's really interesting. I'd love to know more about pickups considering I don't really need a preamp with the right pickups.
My own experience with a passive pickup and no onboard pre has been the same.
But even with that passive straight to socket pickup I noticed that the one I have in the bass now sounds more open than the previous one which had more windings on.
as to top end... I don't think there can be too much since one can mute it more easily than add it if it is not present.(IME)
cnltb said:
that could be. i'm probably not as schooled many people are in this.
still, i think that people might need to sit in the same room and hear the same thing at the same time to really have a firmer understanding of what each person is hearing.
re top end, i like less than a lot of people. and i find that having to take too much of what i don't want out diminishes the frequencies right below, which i do want.
it's always complicated for me . . . and it can change day to day, according to my mood ;-)
emjazz said:
well, it changes. what i used 10 years ago, i don't love now. i use the same basses, i just switch out the pickups.
some of it's trial and error. i like what i have now. do they supply "THE BEST SOUND EVER"??? dunno. not sure anything ever does.
I really appreciate the conversation above. I ve noticed (for as long as I can remember) that in passive all my basses have been significantly more open and punchy , and more organic or natural sounding than when the pre is in and flat. This is no matter what brand of bass or preamp I'm using. The tone may be bigger/wider with the pre but the fundamentals are clear and the space around the note greater in passive IME.
When pre's are engaged, the volume can be matched but I've noticed the tone bumps in the higher mids and highs. I've never really heard a true flat relative to passive from a pre. The newest Fodera pre seems to be better IMO than my 2002 pre for this though....
Also, to my ears, overwinding does tame the highs a bit, and slightly compresses compared to less winds.
When pre's are engaged, the volume can be matched but I've noticed the tone bumps in the higher mids and highs. I've never really heard a true flat relative to passive from a pre. The newest Fodera pre seems to be better IMO than my 2002 pre for this though....
Also, to my ears, overwinding does tame the highs a bit, and slightly compresses compared to less winds.
fralin, nordstrand, duncan antiquity1, duncan antiquity 2,duncan sjb1,aero,fender custom shop,fender 62 reissue,fender 75 reissue, 70's fender pickups,sheptone,lakland/hanson, dimarzio ultrajazz, schaller, fender samarium cobalt,duncan stacks,hotwire........
off the top of my head, these are i think most of the jazz bass pickups ive purchased to try out. ive had multiple sets of the antiquity and fender pickups. if you needed jazz bass pickup insight with winding etc, id be your man.HA
in general, if youre in love with the way a pickup sounds passive, you probably wont like it with a pre. imo
I love mine. Then again I don't seem to be saddled with the anectdotal "Bartolini sound" whatever that is. Clear as a bell and hit like a jackhammer. MMV thank goodness.
I'm using a Pope Mitre Box into a Acoustic Image Focus 1R driving a Nahas stack tonight. Everything I gig with sounds great through whatever I use. Pope or Yamaha PB-1 into either a Crown Drivecore XLS 1000 or 2500, Markbass LMII, The Focus by itself, AER Basic Performer 4x8 combo, Bag End coax 110/coax 115 stack, Schroeder 1210L, SWR Triad, Tec Sound 212, etc.
I can't even believe that I'm saying this (to myself), much less saying this here in a public forum...but I'm thinking STRONGLY about another Fodera. I spoke yesterday with Jason and we went over some details of which I had been completely unaware, and while I had been rolling the idea through my mind, I am THIS CLOSE to placing an order. Oh my...
I want a five string. Was thinking about an Emperor II, but Jason pointed out that that model is the largest Fodera makes, not a great idea for a small person (5'6" on my tallest day). So now...maybe a Matt Garrison style body. I've already gotten my head around that as a firm possibility. Somebody talk me outa 'dis!!!!
I want a five string. Was thinking about an Emperor II, but Jason pointed out that that model is the largest Fodera makes, not a great idea for a small person (5'6" on my tallest day). So now...maybe a Matt Garrison style body. I've already gotten my head around that as a firm possibility. Somebody talk me outa 'dis!!!!
I dig the Garrison and have flirted with the idea of a 33" scale 5-string. Problem is I've got a pair of Skjold 5-strings that should be done in a few weeks so my budget is hammered. If the Skjolds don't work for me I'll be talking to Jason...
Oh wait, I was supposed to talk you out of it
Oh wait, I was supposed to talk you out of it
curt basner said:I can't even believe that I'm saying this (to myself), much less saying this here in a public forum...but I'm thinking STRONGLY about another Fodera. I spoke yesterday with Jason and we went over some details of which I had been completely unaware, and while I had been rolling the idea through my mind, I am THIS CLOSE to placing an order. Oh my...
I want a five string. Was thinking about an Emperor II, but Jason pointed out that that model is the largest Fodera makes, not a great idea for a small person (5'6" on my tallest day). So now...maybe a Matt Garrison style body. I've already gotten my head around that as a firm possibility. Somebody talk me outa 'dis!!!!
don't do it!!!!!
JOKE.
by the way, 5' 6" and play the original aj 6-strings. it's doable.
or you could just do fretless 4-string for a matched set ;-)
welcome to the obsession.
curt basner said:I can't even believe that I'm saying this (to myself), much less saying this here in a public forum...but I'm thinking STRONGLY about another Fodera. I spoke yesterday with Jason and we went over some details of which I had been completely unaware, and while I had been rolling the idea through my mind, I am THIS CLOSE to placing an order. Oh my...
I want a five string. Was thinking about an Emperor II, but Jason pointed out that that model is the largest Fodera makes, not a great idea for a small person (5'6" on my tallest day). So now...maybe a Matt Garrison style body. I've already gotten my head around that as a firm possibility. Somebody talk me outa 'dis!!!!
Now u r officially part of the club! I already know what I want for my next Fodera. I just keep trying to talk myself out of it...........
curt basner said:I can't even believe that I'm saying this (to myself), much less saying this here in a public forum...but I'm thinking STRONGLY about another Fodera. I spoke yesterday with Jason and we went over some details of which I had been completely unaware, and while I had been rolling the idea through my mind, I am THIS CLOSE to placing an order. Oh my...
I want a five string. Was thinking about an Emperor II, but Jason pointed out that that model is the largest Fodera makes, not a great idea for a small person (5'6" on my tallest day). So now...maybe a Matt Garrison style body. I've already gotten my head around that as a firm possibility. Somebody talk me outa 'dis!!!!
Hi Curt, I had to laugh at this one it's an oldie but goodie;
A guy walks into Club Fodera "Home of the Low-End Obsessive", buys a Fodera, then a few weeks later walks back into the club house and screams "Somebody Help me, I'm having thought's about ordering another Fodera" LoL....
Welcome to club Fodera, you enter in the knowledge that everyone here is of the same level of compulsion as you are..
Ain't nobody gonna convince you that you shouldn't have another - rather, the good folks here will offer their experience, knowledge and expertise i.e therapy for those of us with the same disposition.
My name is Dave - and I'm a Foderaholic - Thank you!
I love my Fodera's but I'm also wondering about the 33 scale.
I'm thinking of a MG with 33 scale. I know Richard Bona didn't like 33 scale. Is it only in my head or is there a big different between the two scales?
I'm thinking of a MG with 33 scale. I know Richard Bona didn't like 33 scale. Is it only in my head or is there a big different between the two scales?
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