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Fodera Club Part XX

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Chris, itz cool, it is what it is + you made the effort to get a real decent sound "representation" on an IPhone so you deserve at least 3***.

But for the next video you wear that lovely Gucci shirt.. You know..the one your lady bought you last Christmas ok!
Then you get 5*****:D:D;)

BTW When's your new bass landing??


I made this video with my iPhone about Fodera slap sound on a elite model
http://youtu.be/n4MaNtHZYYQ

It's not the best video :) People don' like it...
 
Gotcha, and I'm pulling your leg;) But it is what it is and if he intended for you to hear a "Better representation" he would've. Again, by virtue of it's "Terribleness";) you know that he's excited as hell and just has to tell the world of youtubers at that very moment that "This is the bass he's always wanted," it is totally spontaneous..I love it for that very reason.

BTW who's Strawman?
Yeah, I hear ya. :)
 
haha +1

sounded good though. very clear representation that neck throughs can still slap and pack a punch!

here's a vid my friend (and insane drummer) took of me playing my neck through Imperial several days after I got it. It sounds punchy the whole time but I do a little slappin towards the end and you can totally hear it punch. Mind you, this is BEFORE I changed the pickups to the standard size Duncans that caused the bass to seriously open up!

Playin around on my "new" Imperial 5
 
The reality is that we built what Bobby wanted and he didn't dig it...

I dig that. Just cause he's a killer bassist doesn't mean he knows exactly what he wants when he's designing a bass. He may have had a concept, or thought it looked pretty, or wanted ot try something different, and then when he got it, didn't dig it. Could ave been the set up, could have just been the wood combos, or just the particular feel of that instrument. But from what i got out of the video is that he really loves that bolt on punch and I guess he wasn't getting that from the previous one, which I guess was a neck through. Definitely took some adjusting when i first got mine, but eventually I learned how to touch the bass to get the punch that I want out of it. Just a personal preference, and eventually he found another Fodera that he's diggin. Don't really think it puts any kind of negative light on Fodera as a company.
 
Narud, Bobby is one of the nicest people that I have had the pleasure of working with. I have not ever seen the video you are referring to, but I would be flat out shocked if Bobby said the bass "effectively sucked." I played his bass for quite some time during set-up and it was an outstanding instrument.

Bobby was very straight with us that he didn't dig the bass several weeks after he received it but opted to sell it rather than work with us on tweaking it. My personal thinking is that a fair amount of the issues he was having involved set-up and the instrument being a neckthrough rather than a bolt-on, but who knows? I think that he was worried about hurting our feelings and so perhaps he didn't really lay on us what was bothering him.

We offered him the option of sending the bass back and building another. As I have stated many times here before, we very much stand behind what we do and will work with players to get it right, but that willingness to work has to go in both directions. We are very happy that Bobby is still a part of the Fodera Family and that he found a used instrument more to his liking.

The reality is that we built what Bobby wanted and he didn't dig it...I personally tried to talk him out of an Imperial because I felt that a bolt-on would be more to his liking. At the end of the day, the customer gets to make the final call.

Regards,

Jason

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theres a video on youtube that bobby watson from rufus posted talking about how his custom order fodera effectively sucked. he ended buying one on ebay and was happy with it. it happens.

theres a video on youtube that bobby watson from rufus posted talking about how his custom order fodera effectively sucked. he ended buying one on ebay and was happy with it. it happens.
 
Narud, Bobby is one of the nicest people that I have had the pleasure of working with. I have not ever seen the video you are referring to, but I would be flat out shocked if Bobby said the bass "effectively sucked."

narud said:
theres a video on youtube that bobby watson from rufus posted talking about how his custom order fodera effectively sucked. he ended buying one on ebay and was happy with it. it happens.
FWIW, the video posted most recently here, his comments were all about how much he loved the bass.
 
I guess Bobby got it wrong and he's a great pro, so no shame!!

The fact that his personal bass didn't work out for him but he still pursued a Fodera "And nailed it" speaks volumes about the brand.

Me personally, I think the hardest part of the design, is that from the customer standpoint you need to relate (or rather) interpret to the builder what that sound in your head sounds like?? Sorry to quote another famous builder but I once read something by Carl Thompson that stuck with me ..not a direct quote but something like; " Can you describe exactly to me what a bright sound is....Can you describe it so that I and the whole world knows exactly what you mean, so I have no doubt in my mind about what you mean?" So for me that goes for the other composites that comprise tone (Low-Mid & upper band).

I grew to appreciate high-end audio systems (not that I could afford to buy) from Linn Sondek, Krell, Mark Levinson, Wadia & Nordost etc. This was in the mid 80's to early 90's. I'd buy mags every month and the equipment reviews were written by guys who we're knowledgable about the products specs etc but had next to no formal musical education and therefore couldn't convey what they were hearing in musical terms.

Things got a little better when a mag called "Audiophile" took on an independent staff writer and concert pianist called Santiago but he only lasted a few editions before the mag folded. They'd still use terms such as "The leading edge of notes (meaning note attack) or the seamless landscape, they later gripped and adopted the term "soundstage"...Oh they all jumped onto that one.

I went digging through a pile of old mags to find an example.
Here's a direct quote from a review of an equipment stand;
"A CD of the Beaux Arts Trio playing the second movement of Shubert's Op 99 showed that the audiophile equipment made the sound louder, warmer and better focused. The textures breathe and the centre of notes were better sustained". OK, somebody please tell me, is it possible to sustain the centre of a note (Just the centre) nothing else?

With the advent of improved recording media (digital or otherwise) we're able to convey to someone on the other side of the world with fair accuracy a sample/s of what we wish to produce. As Jason has said, this is by far the most effective way to go for anyone ordering a bass (who is unsure of what they require sonically) and better still if you and the builder can listen to that sample together. Jason, you clearly understand the fundamentals of sound and you have an acute sensory perception. ;) but what I truly dig most of all is that you use laymans terms that are comprehensible to the majority.

As always, many thanks to you and the team for doing what you do best.. Making the majority of us more than satisfied customers..

Salute!!

Narud, Bobby is one of the nicest people that I have had the pleasure of working with. I have not ever seen the video you are referring to, but I would be flat out shocked if Bobby said the bass "effectively sucked." I played his bass for quite some time during set-up and it was an outstanding instrument.

Bobby was very straight with us that he didn't dig the bass several weeks after he received it but opted to sell it rather than work with us on tweaking it. My personal thinking is that a fair amount of the issues he was having involved set-up and the instrument being a neckthrough rather than a bolt-on, but who knows? I think that he was worried about hurting our feelings and so perhaps he didn't really lay on us what was bothering him.

We offered him the option of sending the bass back and building another. As I have stated many times here before, we very much stand behind what we do and will work with players to get it right, but that willingness to work has to go in both directions. We are very happy that Bobby is still a part of the Fodera Family and that he found a used instrument more to his liking.

The reality is that we built what Bobby wanted and he didn't dig it...I personally tried to talk him out of an Imperial because I felt that a bolt-on would be more to his liking. At the end of the day, the customer gets to make the final call.

Regards,

Jason

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Originally Posted by narud View Post
theres a video on youtube that bobby watson from rufus posted talking about how his custom order fodera effectively sucked. he ended buying one on ebay and was happy with it. it happens.
 
Did he ever contact us to send the bass in and see if there was something wrong?

J

No he didn't. He has been building basses for a number of years and is very good at set ups. I'm not saying he has fodera skills, he wouldn't say it either, but he's very good. That bass just wasn't up to the usual fodera level. No big deal. And no I guess it wasn't quite a bona because of the pups but then even bona's had barts in it at one point.
 
No he didn't. He has been building basses for a number of years and is very good at set ups. I'm not saying he has fodera skills, he wouldn't say it either, but he's very good. That bass just wasn't up to the usual fodera level. No big deal. And no I guess it wasn't quite a bona because of the pups but then even bona's had barts in it at one point.

Not to derail, but you mentioned you have owned or own 3 fodera's I'm curious what style, and wood combo's you had on those instruments since you personally owned them.
 
If it had Duncans in it, it was not a Bona as he uses EMG's...

Was the bass properly set up? Were the strings new? Batteries fresh?

I am definitely not trying to be defensive, but we sometimes have customers come in with a bass that they say "just doesn't sound good" and after a proper set up and all necessary adjustments it's back singing beautifully....

J

ive seen basses being sold as bona sigs with duncan duals over the years.
 
I like bass snobs who criticize other bassists because they "play too much". Never gets old. They always rant about how "less is more" and "less is ALWAYS better".

I always tell them: "Okay, why don't you try playing with an insane amount of space at your next gig? Just don't show up!"

How can anyone dislike Fodera!? or a jazz bass... hmm let's see... ah here we go!

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Thanks for the kind words!!

Regards,

J

I guess Bobby got it wrong and he's a great pro, so no shame!!

The fact that his personal bass didn't work out for him but he still pursued a Fodera "And nailed it" speaks volumes about the brand.

Me personally, I think the hardest part of the design, is that from the customer standpoint you need to relate (or rather) interpret to the builder what that sound in your head sounds like?? Sorry to quote another famous builder but I once read something by Carl Thompson that stuck with me ..not a direct quote but something like; " Can you describe exactly to me what a bright sound is....Can you describe it so that I and the whole world knows exactly what you mean, so I have no doubt in my mind about what you mean?" So for me that goes for the other composites that comprise tone (Low-Mid & upper band).

I grew to appreciate high-end audio systems (not that I could afford to buy) from Linn Sondek, Krell, Mark Levinson, Wadia & Nordost etc. This was in the mid 80's to early 90's. I'd buy mags every month and the equipment reviews were written by guys who we're knowledgable about the products specs etc but had next to no formal musical education and therefore couldn't convey what they were hearing in musical terms.

Things got a little better when a mag called "Audiophile" took on an independent staff writer and concert pianist called Santiago but he only lasted a few editions before the mag folded. They'd still use terms such as "The leading edge of notes (meaning note attack) or the seamless landscape, they later gripped and adopted the term "soundstage"...Oh they all jumped onto that one.

I went digging through a pile of old mags to find an example.
Here's a direct quote from a review of an equipment stand;
"A CD of the Beaux Arts Trio playing the second movement of Shubert's Op 99 showed that the audiophile equipment made the sound louder, warmer and better focused. The textures breathe and the centre of notes were better sustained". OK, somebody please tell me, is it possible to sustain the centre of a note (Just the centre) nothing else?

With the advent of improved recording media (digital or otherwise) we're able to convey to someone on the other side of the world with fair accuracy a sample/s of what we wish to produce. As Jason has said, this is by far the most effective way to go for anyone ordering a bass (who is unsure of what they require sonically) and better still if you and the builder can listen to that sample together. Jason, you clearly understand the fundamentals of sound and you have an acute sensory perception. ;) but what I truly dig most of all is that you use laymans terms that are comprehensible to the majority.

As always, many thanks to you and the team for doing what you do best.. Making the majority of us more than satisfied customers..

Salute!!
 
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