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Fodera Club Part XX

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This is from a great post Jason made back in Fodera Club Part 7 on the big four body woods, which was very helpful:

"Funny, with everything I have answered here over the past couple of years, I have been asked this question several times and avoided answering each time because tone is incredibly difficult to describe with words AND there are significant variations within each species (and even within the same tree).

By way of example, when the shop was building Bass #3,000 ([Invalid or Expired Link Removed]) I got to really work alongside him and Joey to tap test every piece of wood that went into that bass. We cut up a very large piece of Honduran Mahogany (over 15" wide and 10' tall) and the difference in tone between the top piece and the bottom piece was striking. It makes sense right? The wood near the roots of a tree (which has to bear the weight of what is above it) is invariably heavier and denser than the wood closer to the crown. YES, it was all Mahogany, but there were distinct differences in tone between the 5 pieces that were cut...so much so that Joey, Vinny and I could have easily "reconstructed" the slab by tapping each piece and placing it back in the order from which it was originally cut.

Since these differences are differences of gradation AND since they also occur in both the neck and fingerboard materials, after a customer has worked with us to select the species of wood for each component part, when it comes time to actually build the bass we work to ensure that the overall selection of woods compliment each other in a way that we think is both representative and appealing.

Going back to the Bass 3000 example...since it had a Brazilian FB that happened to have incredible depth to it in the lower frequencies, Vinny chose to compliment that characteristic with a Maple neck billet that emphasized these frequencies a little less than many others from which he had to choose from and was strong in the mids and highs. It's just like cooking. When you're making your pasta sauce, if the tomatoes are a little less ripe you compensate by adding a bit of sugar. This kind of expertise and attention to detail is one of the things that you are buying when you purchase a Fodera (or, hopefully, any high-end bass).

All of this said, here are some GENERALITIES about the "big four" body woods purely IMHO...

Alder - Fairly well balanced leaning towards the warm side of the tonal spectrum. Lows, mids and highs are all present. This wood has long been associated with the "Vintage 60's" sound -- especially when paired with a Brazilian Rosewood FB!

Ash - Tremendous variation here due to the varied densities between heavy, Northern Ash and (potentially) feather light Southern Swamp Ash. Unless weight is an issue, we always prefer to build with medium density Ash. At this density, Ash is brighter sounding than Alder with excellent, percussive sounding lows and clean highs. It tends to be a bit "scooped" in the mids. This wood (especially when paired with a Maple fingerboard) is associated with the "Vintage 70's" sound.

Mahogany - On the warmer side of the spectrum. "Rich" sounding and complex...if that makes any sense. The lows, mids and highs are all there but in a different way and different proportion than in Alder...Mahogany (to me) tends to have a fuller sound that speaks very naturally in the mids.

Walnut - Percussive in a way that is similar to Ash. Also somewhat scooped in the mids. Very clean, but not in-your-face-sounding highs. Overall, to my ears, Walnut comes across as a slightly warmer, more nuanced and subtle version of Ash...if that makes any sense, LOL!

Of course the very best way to get a sense of this is to get instruments with all of the different woods under your fingers on a regular basis. At least this is what I told my wife when she asked me why I needed 10+ Monarchs!

Listening to them regularly, the differences are immediately obvious, but putting these differences into words is, shall we say, very, very humanizing!

Enjoy the weekend...

J"

cool. thanks for this. still a bit ambiguous but a start in the right direction.

Anybody here have an Imperial with a walnut body and mahogany tone block? I feel like that combo would result in some rich, well balanced tone....
 
I mean it's certainly possible, just strange to hear. You would think Fodera would have it pretty much down to a science by now, especially since they only use wood that they feel meets their "tone standard". I kind of know the feeling of not being entirely happy with a Fodera, but the issue was solved in the electronics department....the bass itself still played like a monster.

theres a video on youtube that bobby watson from rufus posted talking about how his custom order fodera effectively sucked. he ended buying one on ebay and was happy with it. it happens.
 
It sounds to me like Jason's description of the tone woods is pretty much in line with my own. I read once where Marcus Miller stated that if he were mainly a finger style player he would have a rosewood fingerboard. The only time I've liked ash was with a rosewood board, specifically a Brazilian rosewood board. This was on a Fodera and it was one of the best sounding Fodera's I've ever heard. It also had single coil pickups. The best I've heard had an alder body and walnut top.
 
It sounds to me like Jason's description of the tone woods is pretty much in line with my own. I read once where Marcus Miller stated that if he were mainly a finger style player he would have a rosewood fingerboard. The only time I've liked ash was with a rosewood board, specifically a Brazilian rosewood board. This was on a Fodera and it was one of the best sounding Fodera's I've ever heard. It also had single coil pickups. The best I've heard had an alder body and walnut top.

I'm highly considering an ash body and Braz RW board. I'm a believer in that combo as well. I think they balance each other out nicely. Maybe throw an alder or mahogany tone block in there....
 
Steve, What is the top and what are the pickups?

and tone block?

Seymour Duncan single coils, koa top, no tone block. I actually don't own a Fodera but I built a Warmoth and made it as Fodera-ish as possible with Seymour Duncans, brass Hipshot bridge, a Mike Pope Flexcore pre-amp, Fodera Nickel Strings, and a natural satin finish. Took some liberties with a bone nut and stainless steel frets. Not too concerned about the nut (my luthier didn't have any brass wide enough at the time) but if I ever get a re-fret I'll probably swap out the stainless steel for nickel / nickel-silver
 
I can agree with that. I've heard and played with some awful sounding upright pickups and you never know how the room or that particular amp is going to react to it. So I see where you're coming from. You have a more controlled upright-like tone. But I get you Pete, there's nothing quite like the real thing, if you can make it sound good!

I don't want to take things off topic. I would only add there is a percussive-ness to the DB that is very important and not replicated.
 
To me - Ash Body, RW or Pao Ferro fretboard on a Bolt-On mapleneck is the KILLER combo to me. Plus Singlecoils in the 60ies position ;)

But I love the fretless tone from my Walnut, Ebony top and board Emperor elite too ;)
 
Back wood, good idea or bad idea?

It's not really a good vs bad question, IMHO. But do be aware that when you add laminations (and glue), it can change the tone. I would expect a bass with more laminations to be more compressed and focused, and a bass with less laminations to be more open and lively. That being said, I'd ask Vinny/Joey/Jason what tonal impact, if any, they would expect.

My old Emperor Deluxe 5 had a buckeye top and flamed redwood back, and it was a great sounding bass (which I probably shouldn't have sold).
 
Speaking of my old Emperor Deluxe, I thought I'd reminisce with some pics:

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I'm highly considering an ash body and Braz RW board. I'm a believer in that combo as well. I think they balance each other out nicely. Maybe throw an alder or mahogany tone block in there....

That's my combo (w/Mahogany TB). It's pretty versatile and stays in the Fender ballpark.

That being said, I'd kind of like something less traditional like mahogany/ebony or walnut/ebony someday for another build.
 
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