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Fodera Club Part XXII

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I'm gonna be listing my Emperor 2 Elite 5 string here on Talkbass shortly for a lower price. Let me know if you're interested. (Hope that's ok to post on this thread.)



Don't worry, I'm still playing my Imperial 5 that I had made for me. It's sounding even better after a year of hard gigging on it!
 
I just received this pdf from Jason explaining the new Pope preamp. I have posted it on my website server to share on TBL with Jason's kind permission.http://www.steveyork.com/foderapreamp.pdf

So, summarizing:

High Treble = 8 kHz
Low Treble = 4 kHz
High Mid = 2.5 kHz
Mid Mid = 1.5 kHz
Low Mid = 460 Hz
High Bass = 120 Hz
Low Bass = 60 Hz
 
It's just another pleasant valley Sunday, here in status symbol land.

It looks cool to have the logo of the bass brand on the gigbag so people have a preview. The flip side is that I don't want people to know what kind of bass I have before I take it out. It sorta takes away the wow factor.
 
So, summarizing:

High Treble = 8 kHz
Low Treble = 4 kHz
High Mid = 2.5 kHz
Mid Mid = 1.5 kHz
Low Mid = 460 Hz
High Bass = 120 Hz
Low Bass = 60 Hz
Yes, but bear in mind that knowing the center frequencies is just a rough guide. For example,I occasionally use the mid contour switch on my Genz Benz head which cuts pretty drastically around 600hz. Since I switched my bass to the low mid setting at 1.5k I'm finding that it's also cutting enough at 600hz that I don't need to use the mid cut on the amp and it's much more subtle. There's a tremendous range of possibilities here!
 
Yes, but bear in mind that knowing the center frequencies is just a rough guide. For example,I occasionally use the mid contour switch on my Genz Benz head which cuts pretty drastically around 600hz. Since I switched my bass to the low mid setting at 1.5k I'm finding that it's also cutting enough at 600hz that I don't need to use the mid cut on the amp and it's much more subtle. There's a tremendous range of possibilities here!

Of course. We haven't mentioned Q.
 
Mike or Steve (or Jason),
Any idea of the frequencies of the preamp in the Emperor 5 Standard?

Thanks,
Allen

Jason's probably best to answer this, but I think someone said the Standard preamps are basically Flex Cores. How's that for a definitive answer?

The other day, Chris and I put a dual-mid Flex Core board in a Standard for a customer and it worked fine.

So again, if the frequencies are the same as those in the FlexCore, they are:

Bass +/- 12dB @ 46Hz or 90Hz
Lo Mid +/-12dB @ 330Hz or 473Hz
Hi Mid +/- 15dB @ 1kHz or 1.8kHz
Treble +/- 15dB @ 6kHz or 10kHz

But wait for a guru to show up before you act on any of that.
 
The other day, Chris and I put a dual-mid Flex Core board in a Standard for a customer and it worked fine.
That was me and indeed it did. :D

So again, if the frequencies are the same as those in the FlexCore, they are:

Bass +/- 12dB @ 46Hz or 90Hz
Lo Mid +/-12dB @ 330Hz or 473Hz
Hi Mid +/- 15dB @ 1kHz or 1.8kHz
Treble +/- 15dB @ 6kHz or 10kHz

But wait for a guru to show up before you act on any of that.

Will do and thanks for your help here and the other day as well. :-)

Allen
 
Happy to help...and for full disclosure a dear friend, former dealer and customer, Tim Mullally, was kind enough to send me the PDF over the weekend so that you could have it sooner!!

Cheers,

J

I just received this pdf from Jason explaining the new Pope preamp. I have posted it on my website server to share on TBL with Jason's kind permission.http://www.steveyork.com/foderapreamp.pdf
Based on this I just switched the mids on my new Imperial from low/high to low/mid. I'm now able to cut out the nasty stuff and I'm getting exactly the sounds I was looking for. :hyper:
Now the long winded part. Yesterday I installed a spectrograph program and compared my 2004 Emperor ll and my Imperial.
I have owned the Emperor ll for four years. It sounds like every good 70's Jazz bass that I have played. Setting both basses passive with the tone wide open I could see on the spectograph that the Emperor has a natural dip in the midrange similar to a smiley face eq curve .
The Imperial is pretty much flat across the spectrum.
I have been trying to eq the Imperial to emulate some of the sweetnes of the Emperor.
What I saw on the spectograph was that the eq on the preamp had signifacant effect on the frequency points an octave higher or lower. The low bass set at 60hz also heavily effected the sound at 120hz. The low mid at 460hz also effected 230hz.
I'm pretty sure that mid in my Emperor is set at around 1khz - 1.5khz. I ride this control a lot, so much so that Vinnie just had to replace the pot!
On the Imperial I was hearing and seeing the mid range control effecting the 1k point but it wasn't quite the same. It was in fact set to 2.5, but was effecting the 1.2 hz band.
Now that I have rest the Imperial to 1.2hz both basses are giving me the sounds I want. They both sound like Foderas, but I think of the Emperor as giving me the tone pallette of 70's Jazz basses, ad the Imperial as going into the 60's Jazz bass and P bass range, especially with the master tone set to a P bass curve. BTW, John Entwhistle always cut heavily at around 1k hz.
Of course the eq settings in a working situation depend entirely on the sounds of the other instruments encroaching on our space, not to mention acoustics, sound engineers and the dreaded cranked subwoofers! But it's great to have the tools and knowledge to keep calm and deal with it!:bassist:
I hope this is of help to y'all!
Jason - I can't thank you enough!:)
PS. Of course I realize that a lot of people like "the nasty stuff!"
 
We no longer carry them because it meant keeping a lot of $$ in inventory with very little return on investment. We can have them ordered for anyone that wants one and the wait is about 4-6 weeks...

Cheers,

Jason


Yeah Jason, a Fodera gig bag with a nice logo will be awesome. Something like a Mono or Reunion Blues Continental case would be awesome.

It looks cool to have the logo of the bass brand on the gigbag so people have a preview. The flip side is that I don't want people to know what kind of bass I have before I take it out. It sorta takes away the wow factor.
 
EQ points are the same as a Flexcore.

J

Jason's probably best to answer this, but I think someone said the Standard preamps are basically Flex Cores. How's that for a definitive answer?

The other day, Chris and I put a dual-mid Flex Core board in a Standard for a customer and it worked fine.

So again, if the frequencies are the same as those in the FlexCore, they are:

Bass +/- 12dB @ 46Hz or 90Hz
Lo Mid +/-12dB @ 330Hz or 473Hz
Hi Mid +/- 15dB @ 1kHz or 1.8kHz
Treble +/- 15dB @ 6kHz or 10kHz

But wait for a guru to show up before you act on any of that.
 
We no longer carry them because it meant keeping a lot of $$ in inventory with very little return on investment. We can have them ordered for anyone that wants one and the wait is about 4-6 weeks...

Cheers,

Jason

Estrella version or undercover version?!
 

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