i can see what you mean, but i was never suggesting there was a certain skill level required. it just seems a waste... but i guess it's their money they're wasting on an awesome playing bass they have no intention of playing, right?
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i can see what you mean, but i was never suggesting there was a certain skill level required. it just seems a waste... but i guess it's their money they're wasting on an awesome playing bass they have no intention of playing, right?
I agree, brands like Fodera benefit so much from the collectors because it allows them to increase costs and makes them even more "rare". At teh end of the day I doubt Fodera (or anyone else) loses much sleep over the fact that their bills are being paid by a collector rather than a player. They may prefer that their basses are bought by players and used to create music; who wouldn't, but when it gets down to paying their rent, I doubt they think twice about it.
As for the skill level required to own a particular instrument, I also agree. My skill with a bass has nothing to do with my disposible income. In fact, if I had as much skill with a bass as I had in my real job, I probably couldn't afford the basses I play. Oh the irony!
You're assuming that a collectors enjoyment comes from playing. I doubt that the collector thinks its a waste of money. They may think that buying a Fodera and taking it to a bar to play is a waste because its like hanging a Picaso in your toilet. Its a different mentality (one I only half get), but I do understand why people like esoteric things.
People buy stuff for all sorts of reasons and just like them, you guys can do the same thing. There's an easy "remedy" for collectors... step up and buy the basses before they do.
Oh, that's not going to work, is it?
The funny thing about buying your own is that it seems to diminish the need to hate on others.
I'm pretty sure most professional luthiers wouldn't care if their product was bought for a three year old, as long as the funds clear.
Oh, that's not going to work, is it?
The funny thing about buying your own is that it seems to diminish the need to hate on others.
I'm pretty sure most professional luthiers wouldn't care if their product was bought for a three year old, as long as the funds clear.
How did you decide they're "wasting" their money? The type of owner doesn't diminish the value of the instrument, in fact if it's not being played it's probably in better condition.
The idea that people who collect don't play is convenient but unfortunately not very well thought out.
Collectors!!! I never did get that either. I will give the Fodera shop a total pass on that one, and retract my previous 'chuckle' post.
I bought an Alleva-Coppolo LG/Nitro finish that was owned by a collector for a year or so, and I swear it was never played (bonus for me, just like bonus for you!). I guess 'pretty things' are 'pretty things', whether they are cars, basses, whatever. I still don't get the collector thing though, and I'm with you... whatever basses I own, they get played... 90 degree outside gigs, whatever!
That again is just a beautiful instrument!
what i love is all the basses that are up on the lowend right now that are owned by a collecter that are priced at like a million dollars for everything. brians descriptions kind of sound like, "yeah, i know these prices are ******** but i didnt make them so go easy on me"
what i love is all the basses that are up on the lowend right now that are owned by a collecter that are priced at like a million dollars for everything. brians descriptions kind of sound like, "yeah, i know these prices are ******** but i didnt make them so go easy on me"
Which basses are they? I check that site quite regularly and there isn't anything too outrageous is there?
Can any of you guys keep a gigging instrument mint? I have come to grips with I can't, I can keep them near mint or so but not dead mint. And of course, I mean actual mint, like not the kind where someone puts mint in the eBay title and say minor scratches in the description. Also, if I'm buying a used instrument, I prefer one that's been played, which I always see some marks on. You guys sticklers for 'mint'?
Which basses are they? I check that site quite regularly and there isn't anything too outrageous is there?
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heres one
Hehe, that is a ridiculous price. I never noticed it because I wouldn't have clicked on a Jaco relic bass anyway!
as evidenced by this picture, im a bass player not a photographer
but, heres how its config'd
neck pickup
white,green+shield,red,black
bridge pickup
green,white+shield,red, black
Hehe, that is a ridiculous price. I never noticed it because I wouldn't have clicked on a Jaco relic bass anyway!
how about this one
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i payed 1800 used for my bn5f
Haha, that "collector" must not be in a rush to sell. Thats going to take a lot of inflation before those prices make sense!
I do agree.
IMO, more likely than not it has been the "collectors" and non- pros that own more than one instrument that have kept many of the smaller boutique brands going. They far out number the pros for high - end orders. I think they have made it better for the bass community's range of choice of instuments and have indirectly raised the quality of bass building overall because of the interest and competition that arose from a bigger market with more money being spent or pumped into it. Maybe there are some drawbacks but overall i think its been great for bassists.
Also, you dont have to just be a "collector" if you own several fine instruments. I talked to at least 2 world renowned bassists just at Jan NAMM alone who have in excess of 40 instruments each...(even many times more instruments than me!
) So number of instruments, and/or price range of instruments really have nothing to do with what kind of a player you are. People may like to draw conclusions from individual cases they might know of, but in reality it dosent pan out IMO.
I guess when I heard the term "collector" I thought of someone who doesn't play at all and just likes to have fancy shmancy instruments hangin on their wall. I don't care how they spend their money. I wasn't referring to the amateur with extra cash who buys nice gear like I do.
Sure, I have several instruments that I use on a regular basis that would wipe off or at worst buff out to look new. It's easy... I don't bump into things, I set them down securely on decent stands when not in use, away from the flow of traffic... I guess I just basically act like I give a damn about my gear
. I even bought Tuki covers for my Bag End cabs, they were like new when I got them and still are after several gigs.Nothing strenuous or overly anal about it. Like I said, easy. I'm pretty hard on myself about doing dumb ____, I strive to keep that at a minimum.
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I do agree.
IMO, more likely than not it has been the "collectors" and non- pros that own more than one instrument that have kept many of the smaller boutique brands going. They far out number the pros for high - end orders. I think they have made it better for the bass community's range of choice of instuments and have indirectly raised the quality of bass building overall because of the interest and competition that arose from a bigger market with more money being spent or pumped into it. Maybe there are some drawbacks but overall i think its been great for bassists.
Also, you dont have to just be a "collector" if you own several fine instruments. I talked to at least 2 world renowned bassists just at Jan NAMM alone who have in excess of 40 instruments each...(even many times more instruments than me!
Agreed, Mitch.
Being a patron of an artist (in this case a luthier) has been a longstanding tradition and I can't think of another idiom in which it's held in such disdain. I get it, I just don't get it.
Could be a lot of things, could be sour grapes, I don't know. As someone whose interest in stringed instrument started with a section of 2x4, some gavanized nails and clothesline* (I kid you not), I have what I have because a) I love the instrument, regardless of price and b) I know the market and love to work it. I don't play everything I own out on a regular basis but anyone who's seen me play has likely seen me with some killer instruments, regardless of venue.
That's why while I do seem to have a "collection" I hardly consider myself a collector, doing the Nigel Tufnel "Don't even look at it" thing. I handed a $4k+ Lakland around at a store today, some of the guys were very apprehensive about playing it. Hey, they're here to be enjoyed.
Most people I know who have a lot of basses do so because they love the instrument, regardless of their personal skill level. I can't bring myself to see that as a bad thing without feeling petty. No offense.
*with standard arbitrarily placed penciled in fretlines
Haha, that "collector" must not be in a rush to sell. Thats going to take a lot of inflation before those prices make sense!
Mark, everyone else might not get this, but you might...
To quote 'The Castle' - "tell him he's dreaming!"
On another note, as people may have noticed (or probably didn't), only the area undearneath the controls is shielded.
Just throwing a question out there - would it be worth me shielding it? If so, just the control cavity or the pickup cavities as well? I've got some grounding problems I think, when I tap my bridge the buzz goes in and out, as it does when I tap other stuff...
Sorry guys, I'm a bit of a dummy when it comes to this tech stuff
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