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For The Younger Players Only

As a kid after years of classical training, I read both clefs as easily as I read a newspaper.

Playing bass, most all of my gigs were either head arrangements or basic charts. Learned the Nashville # System when I moved here in the 90's. So my standard notation reading all these many years later has rusted shut, I just never used it.

If you feel led to invest the time, you will never be sorry for learning to read music in standard notation.

I can say I've heard more people say they wished to have learned to read standard notation than people like me that did say they wish they hadn't.

And BTW, FORGET tabs.
 
As a kid after years of classical training, I read both clefs as easily as I read a newspaper.

Playing bass, most all of my gigs were either head arrangements or basic charts. Learned the Nashville # System when I moved here in the 90's. So my standard notation reading all these many years later has rusted shut, I just never used it.

If you feel led to invest the time, you will never be sorry for learning to read music in standard notation.

I can say I've heard more people say they wished to have learned to read standard notation than people like me that did say they wish they hadn't.

And BTW, FORGET tabs.
I think you are correct about tabs. I feel like a parrot playing tab. Lots of times I have a better way of fingering than shown in the tab.

Previous post is also correct about there being value in being able to interpret notation even if you cannot sight read. It is useful for deciphering difficult passages. I can do that, it's just super slow. I also look at it when learning a walking line just to get the general flow of the line, even though I'm not trying to emulate the exact noters played. I do that by ear instead.

But I am just a poor musically illiterate caveman, who plays bass. You young-un's listen up, learn to read if you can.
 
I think you are correct about tabs. I feel like a parrot playing tab. Lots of times I have a better way of fingering than shown in the tab.

Previous post is also correct about there being value in being able to interpret notation even if you cannot sight read. It is useful for deciphering difficult passages. I can do that, it's just super slow. I also look at it when learning a walking line just to get the general flow of the line, even though I'm not trying to emulate the exact noters played. I do that by ear instead.

But I am just a poor musically illiterate caveman, who plays bass. You young-un's listen up, learn to read if you can.
Tabs are an utter dead end, some misguided attempt to NOT read music. I can absolutely guarantee you, if your playing career involves 'reading' gigs, you will show up to face standard notation scores, 'Fake Book' style charts or other charts, or here in Nashville and elsewhere Number Charts, you will never see tab on a professional date. Period.

And don't sell yourself short: Just like when we were little kids in kindergarten or first grade, we had to learn letters, punctuation, and began with smaller words to learn to read. No second graders reading Chaucer or Shakespeare, and reading music goes the same way. You learn the bass clef (or both), the symbols for sharps, flats, time signature, etc., and then begin single note lines with whole or half-notes before you work up to full scores. Or as much of it as you think will be an advantage for you. And like most things in life, as you learn and it begins to click in your head, you will realize it's just not that hard if you put the time in.
 
as a guy who can sight read like a mo-fo...finna say it's a minor skill compared to everything else that makes the bass the legit foundation of so many musical genres...

unlike "English Literature" (which i've taught at the university level for two decades), staff notation is just an approximation of what the music "might" be...so, yes...it'll help. And, sure...we should teach it...but it's a bit like describing a mountain via a topographical map, it's "accurate"...but it's not "it"
 
There is nothing more demeaning than an old guy preaching to young folks. That aint what this is about. But if you plan to keep playing bass throughout your life then you may want to read this because one thing is certain. Youth is fleeting...

I started playing mid-1970's. I spent countless hours picking up record needles and setting them back to learn the bass lick on a Nugent or Deep Purple tune. And my archaic method of copying my heroes paid off. I ended up fronting one of the hottest acts in the southeast the entire decade of the 1980's and was invited to open for a host of name acts of the day. I knew I was hot stuff. I could copy any lick and trained my ear well enough to know what key any tune was in by the second bar. I thought I had reached my personal "pinnacle"...... But.... I never took the time or interest to learn to read music.

Now forty years later I lend my skill to my church. No more jumping on PA cabinets and bar tables. I play the part of the quiet old bass player hiding behind the choir loft. Playing is far more gratifying because old hymns require a new level of skill, and one never tires of being challenged on the fretboard... We are four pieces: guitar, piano, percussion and me. Wednesday evenings we meet to do a quick rehearsal. My bandmates all open their music sheets and dive in. I have to wait until the second verse to jump in. After which, I scratch out my little cheat sheet (below) because the memory synapses aren't what they used to be.

Now here lately I have been trying to learn a little about reading music, but old brain cells don't absorb information as efficiently as young brain cells do..... Look, I remember shunning the advice of old people back when I was young and "all that".... And I know that is probably how this comes across. But if you love playing and can see yourself playing throughout your life..... Take the time to learn to read music. I sure wish I had done so.

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I have the music degree. It is important. I would never say it's not. However... In the hundreds of gigs I've played in the last few years alone, knowing how to read music mattered exactly ZERO percent, being completely honest.

But...

Learning how to read music is a great skill to have if ever needed, and as it works out, the closest I've come to needing to read music (literally the written notes, not chord shapes, letters, symbols or whatever) was the last time I played bass in a Jazz group, and that was mostly for my own edification of being able to play the melody as exactly as... well whatever was written on the Real Book page that everyone else is also reading, despite having an ear that can figure it out pretty well.

My point here is it is a nice thing to learn, and it does take a little time to keep up on and not get rusty. There are certain situations that are MUCH easier if the musician can read music- and as fortune or misfortune would have it, I haven't been in any one of those for a long, long time. I do like the option if and when I so choose and as time allows, to sit down with an instrument technique book of some sort and work through an etude to take some rust off my playing of that very specific kind, the rust off my music reading, and even to the extent it qualifies for "sight reading" at my first interactions with that music.

Whatever my (very limited) necessary use these days, I'm confident that if I needed to, and has I have done in the past, I have the ability to figure out, hear, transcribe and even share notation and arrangements if I needed, and so I would say another benefit is being able to read music and to speak a common language of music to another musician, no matter what instrument, and to be able to relay often times VERY specific ideas about a melody, form, chord progression, song, etc... in that common language.

Some benefits of some things do not always pay immediate and often recurring dividends in the present and immediate future, but which value can clearly be seen to a degree in the long-term/hindsight.

I don't think I ever knew anyone who actually regretted learning how to read music.
 
Experienced reader here, though real proficiency didn't happen until about my 10th year in...for various reasons but mostly related to temporary detours.

Probably the element that challenges folks the most when it comes to reading is deciphering rhythm. My reading ability had a noticeable growth spurt once I began practing reading exclusively rhythm. I remember working out of a book by Louie Bellson that only featured rythyms and it helped a lot.

Other things that helped out enormously were the ear training classes I took in college, which is all about honing the ability to internally hear intervals and rythyms.

Also as others have mentioned the importance of having a forum to practice reading in is very important. For the last 20 or so years, I've been getting together with two other semi retired double bassists. We've collectively purchase several arrangements for three double basses and we use these to work on reading in bass, treble, and tenor cleffs and also to practice topics related to ensemble playing. Even though none of us are "soloist level" these informal get together have helped all of us become better readers and more confident musicians in general.

It is possible to find easy arrangements for two and three basses, since bass ensembles have become a part of modern pedagogy. It's a fun way to work on reading with others rather than alone in a practice room.
 
Some amazing points here and I think many people confuse the benefits of being able to read with the ability to sight read fluently. As @mambo4 rightfully said you don't need to be able to sight read to reap the rewards of musical literacy. It's like any other language, the ability to read it will benefit your comprehension and understanding of it as well as allow you greater access to the world of that language.

From own experience I will add that after years of working professionally and being able to read bass, treble and tenor clefs (tenor clef crops up in the depths of theatre world on bass guitar and double bass and treble is everywhere as it is) fluently that it wasn't until I went back to really get my sight singing chops together did the page start to truly come alive. It's a long process but as long as you are consistent you will be amazed at what you can by sight and by your ears as well as just the overall enjoyment of music.

To add to what @Thunderthumbs73 said I have never met any musician or any student who has regretted or not benefitted from learning to read the language they are learning.

Also as @Bob_Ross said. Learn about compound interest!
 
I started on bass late in life (after age 70), and learned to read (starting at age 73) because I have absolutely no ability to pick up anything by ear. Just won’t happen. Tabs didn’t work, because they lacked the rhythm component. I know that newer tabs try to incorporate rhythm, but they end up being even more complex than bass clef music. At any rate, learning to read opened up vast fields of music that I would never have suspected I could play. No need to find a video explaining how to play a song. Helped with theory a bit too and forced me to finally learn the fretboard, especially above the fifth fret. I envy those of you who have the ear to pick up a bass and just start playing a tune.
 
I started on bass late in life (after age 70), and learned to read (starting at age 73) because I have absolutely no ability to pick up anything by ear. Just won’t happen. Tabs didn’t work, because they lacked the rhythm component. I know that newer tabs try to incorporate rhythm, but they end up being even more complex than bass clef music. At any rate, learning to read opened up vast fields of music that I would never have suspected I could play. No need to find a video explaining how to play a song. Helped with theory a bit too and forced me to finally learn the fretboard, especially above the fifth fret. I envy those of you who have the ear to pick up a bass and just start playing a tune.
It always amazes me how many different ways there are to learn. I learned totally by ear, never learned scales or the fretboard, only knew the blues scale in E because my one and only teacher (3 lessons total at age 18) drew it that way. I made a lot of mistakes but I could improvise from early on. Some people who learn the other way around never learn to improvise, can't play unless they have sheet in front of them. I have also seen a kid with no training pick up a bass at a guitar store and just start wailing away, slapping the crap out of it, becuase he has seen it done before. Just a gift, inherent talent.

I quit for 25 years and picked it back up 2 years ago, age 69, decided I'd learn from ground level up properly. Thank you to my many YouTube instructors. I wish they had been available back when I was 18.

Kudos to you for being able to pick the instrument up at this age and learn to read at 73! Awesome!
 
I envy those of you who have the ear to pick up a bass and just start playing a tune.
Well heck man... I envy your ability to have been able to learn to read. Wish my brain could consume new information like that... If I could find a delete button that would remove the useless cigarette jingles from my addled brain then maybe I could find some room for some useful info!
 
I have also seen a kid with no training pick up a bass at a guitar store and just start wailing away, slapping the crap out of it, becuase he has seen it done before. Just a gift, inherent talent.
Just this last summer my eleven year old grandson wanted me to take him fishing so I pulled the old rods down from the garage wall and decided to have a granddad moment with him and teach him how to tie lures.... He tells me no need. He learned on YouTube and started tying lures like he been doing it for years.... Blew my mind.
 
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Well heck man... I envy your ability to have been able to learn to read. Wish my brain could consume new information like that... If I could find a delete button that would remove the useless cigarette jingles from my addled brain then maybe I could find some room for some useful info!
The guy on elliptical at gym a few days ago told me he was a jingle writer. I asked him if I would know any of his jingles and he sung "Have you driven a Ford Lately?" Paul Hoffman. Said it ran for 8 years. Also said bass is his favorite instrument, but hasn't asked me to come over and record any licks yet.
 
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That’s cool. Be careful what you wish for though…. Middle 1980’s my band spent a week in the studio. One day a lady came in that had been hired to write background music for a local TV commercial. She needed musicians so she asked if we would back her on this TV commercial jingle. Well that sounded great to us…. But the jingle was some new wavy sort of music that was NOT in my wheelhouse. For months in regular rotation on my TV I had to listen to this and I just cringed every time it came on. Out of all the good studio work I did, this was the one awful piece that I had to hear a thousand times. I just hope that somebody doesn’t ever dredge that back up and start playing it again. Gawd it was awful.
 
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That’s cool. Be careful what you wish for though…. Middle 1980’s my band spent a week in the studio. One day a lady came in that had been hired to write background music for a local TV commercial. She needed musicians so she asked if we would back her on this TV commercial jingle. Well that sounded great to us…. But the jingle was some new wavy sort of music that was NOT in my wheelhouse. For months in regular rotation on my TV I had to listen to this and I just cringed every time it came on. Out of all the good studio work I did, this was the one awful piece that I had to hear a thousand times. I just hope that somebody doesn’t ever dredge that back up and start playing it again. Gawd it was awful.
I think you owe it to all us here at TB to post it here?
 
Reading chops and listening/ear chops pay off equally, if not always at the same time….😁

I recently entered the world of show choir music as a bassist. Handed a book of charts, which was fine. I’m a decent reader, but not a great sight reader at all. So I took the book home and and it didn’t take long at all to realize that in my humble opinion, the written bass parts were simply too busy. Geez, with all the kids singing and dancing, a ripping guitarist and drummer, 2 keyboard players, and a horn section, someone needed to lay back.

I approached the director (a good friend, as well) about my thoughts and he said sure, just follow the chord symbols (always on the charts) and play what you think works. So I did, observing stops, kicks, accents, etc as I heard them. The director, as well as the choir director, wound up being very pleased with the results, agreeing that the simplified bass parts cleaned up the music part of the show nicely. I’m pretty sure those bass parts were actually left-hand piano parts as I could still hear the charted bass parts from the keys. In this case, I got out of their way and it worked out well.

So both abilities served me well in this situation. And while I’m not crazy about the music, it’s paid playing as well as a unique challenge.

And at 67 years old, my phone isn’t exactly blowing up with calls. And I’m worn out on the classic rock thing. I have gigs with two original country music artists, my church, and the show choir stuff. I’m busy enough!….😁
 
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Once you learn to read music, if you don’t keep doing it, at least to the point of only being “rusty” when you don’t read for a long time, it tends to fade away. IOW, use it or lose it.
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Not necessarily; my wife learned to read music in childhood piano lessons, never opened a book of music after age 10, took up violin at age 60, and never had any trouble reading.
 
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If you can read English, you can learn to read music.

Being able to read music does NOT force you to limit yourself to reading music, which is a sort of unstated implication in many posts here, about reading musicians who can't improvise or play by ear. Yes, there are many such, but let's consider a short selection of people who could/can read music fluently AND improvise AND play by ear, just for example:

Victor Wooten
Ray Brown
Ron Carter
Steve Swallow
Marcus Miller
Christian McBride
Louis Armstrong
Lester Young
John Coltrane
Don Menza
Ben Webster
Dizzy Gillespie
Charlie Parker
Clark Terry
Louis Bellson
Steve Smith

I'm running out of energy, but I hope the point is made.
 

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