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MIJ,
Thanks for posting this and actively caring. I can understand your other post now as well. I hope you are able to influence at least one person through your actions.
At the same time, don't feel bad about what you did or did not do when you saw that kid in the coffee shop. What could you possibly have said? I'm not trying to minimize the effect of that moment on you, but don't beat yourself up about it.
ian
Thanks for posting this and actively caring. I can understand your other post now as well. I hope you are able to influence at least one person through your actions.
At the same time, don't feel bad about what you did or did not do when you saw that kid in the coffee shop. What could you possibly have said? I'm not trying to minimize the effect of that moment on you, but don't beat yourself up about it.
ian
I can't forgive myself, especially after having recently learned the details of how that boy was brutally murdered while doing what he had to do to survive.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8319434794&v=info
Poor Shawn...
First of all I to MIJ-VI, thank you for posting this thread.
I’m sure for someone this thread could make a world of diffirence just to know that their not alone.
Second is a story I wroght that may help.
Part of me is afraid when I’m around new people. I’m afraid they won’t accept me as a women or that they will tell me why they think I am wrong for feeling that I need to change or even attack me. This happens every time I meet someone new and is especially scary when it’s a group of people.
Every job I have had, I quit because the stress became so strong that I lost all concern for life and no longer wanted to function. When that happens it’s like my mind just says no and I can’t move. I’m paralyzed with an overwhelming feeling of sorrow and the only thoughts that come through are how do I get out of this body, HOW DO I GET OUT OF THIS BODY, how do I make this work.
Every time I used to look in a mirror or hear he him his or he’s it made me sad.
Every time I felt my self in such a way that reminded me, I would feel sad.
Every time I saw a couple in love or a young girl basking in her beauty it made me sad.
There must be a million reminders that are constantly running through my head. It made me terribly sad when I thought about my age and that the older I get the less effective my transition will be.
In society there are times where I have to hide the fact that I am sad as to get along with others and that just makes me feel lonely in my thoughts. I used to feel that most of the time I had no friends, no family, no one that cared enough to really try and understand both sides of this, or to go out of there way to help, or call to see how I am doing and listen. No one wants to listen when there’s a problem. They just tell me to stay positive and to keep trying, try harder, you can’t give up, you can do it!
It never helps when I’m feeling hopeless. I’d like to share a story of something that did help though. It wasn’t a cure by any means but it certainty helped and it saved my life.
In the summer of 09 I crashed. I lost all hope and I was alone. I drove up to a place called look out mountain with the intentions of jumping or driving off a cliff. I went to a place where I had sat and meditated in the past because I knew there was a huge cliff there. I got out and I walked around to the spot where I had been before. A spot that was actually just around and under the top of the cliff.
I stood there ready to end it. I thought to myself what would I be missing? And at the time nothing came to mind. Than I herd voices. Someone was throwing an earn full of ashes off the top of the cliff. I could see the ashes falling beside me and the hands throwing the ashes over the edge. I herd there voices as they rejoiced in the passing of those ashes.
I was entranced in what I had just witnessed and their love that had transpired. All I could do was curl up into a little ball and cry. I sat there still until they had left. I thought once more about jumping and decided I was to confused over the whole experience to go through with it. I now know that it wasn’t confusion that had saved me that day it was the love that those people showed.
I realized that love is just the same whether it be for you or for me. It’s certainly a thing worth sticking around for. That experience really helped me to look at life in a more full perspective. It’s amazing how although I still feel pain, I now see that it’s that pain that make’s love possible and that there is no wrong in the world, never has been and there never will be.
We just live and die and repeat, we do what we feel and over an eternity we get it.
I’m sure for someone this thread could make a world of diffirence just to know that their not alone.
Second is a story I wroght that may help.
Part of me is afraid when I’m around new people. I’m afraid they won’t accept me as a women or that they will tell me why they think I am wrong for feeling that I need to change or even attack me. This happens every time I meet someone new and is especially scary when it’s a group of people.
Every job I have had, I quit because the stress became so strong that I lost all concern for life and no longer wanted to function. When that happens it’s like my mind just says no and I can’t move. I’m paralyzed with an overwhelming feeling of sorrow and the only thoughts that come through are how do I get out of this body, HOW DO I GET OUT OF THIS BODY, how do I make this work.
Every time I used to look in a mirror or hear he him his or he’s it made me sad.
Every time I felt my self in such a way that reminded me, I would feel sad.
Every time I saw a couple in love or a young girl basking in her beauty it made me sad.
There must be a million reminders that are constantly running through my head. It made me terribly sad when I thought about my age and that the older I get the less effective my transition will be.
In society there are times where I have to hide the fact that I am sad as to get along with others and that just makes me feel lonely in my thoughts. I used to feel that most of the time I had no friends, no family, no one that cared enough to really try and understand both sides of this, or to go out of there way to help, or call to see how I am doing and listen. No one wants to listen when there’s a problem. They just tell me to stay positive and to keep trying, try harder, you can’t give up, you can do it!
It never helps when I’m feeling hopeless. I’d like to share a story of something that did help though. It wasn’t a cure by any means but it certainty helped and it saved my life.
In the summer of 09 I crashed. I lost all hope and I was alone. I drove up to a place called look out mountain with the intentions of jumping or driving off a cliff. I went to a place where I had sat and meditated in the past because I knew there was a huge cliff there. I got out and I walked around to the spot where I had been before. A spot that was actually just around and under the top of the cliff.
I stood there ready to end it. I thought to myself what would I be missing? And at the time nothing came to mind. Than I herd voices. Someone was throwing an earn full of ashes off the top of the cliff. I could see the ashes falling beside me and the hands throwing the ashes over the edge. I herd there voices as they rejoiced in the passing of those ashes.
I was entranced in what I had just witnessed and their love that had transpired. All I could do was curl up into a little ball and cry. I sat there still until they had left. I thought once more about jumping and decided I was to confused over the whole experience to go through with it. I now know that it wasn’t confusion that had saved me that day it was the love that those people showed.
I realized that love is just the same whether it be for you or for me. It’s certainly a thing worth sticking around for. That experience really helped me to look at life in a more full perspective. It’s amazing how although I still feel pain, I now see that it’s that pain that make’s love possible and that there is no wrong in the world, never has been and there never will be.
We just live and die and repeat, we do what we feel and over an eternity we get it.
I can't help but feel that I don't quite belong in this thread, but this post made me want to say that emphasizing a US law based solely on religion is just so freakishly asinine on about 9 million levels.
Thanks for catching my drift. I want to note that I have no problems with people choosing and following a religion that they believe in, for whatever purpose they see fit. My problem is with civil rights issues, such as the one I mentioned, being based on a religious ideal that not everyone in our country ascribes to. If my use of the term 'bible bigots' offended anyone I sincerely apologize and would like to clarify that I was using the term in regards to anyone who uses the bible as justification for discrimination. I realize that this can be a touchy issue for a lot of people, but a lot of you can rest safely on a side that is not regulary affected by such issues.
Thanks for catchin mine. I think you have enough on me to know where I'm coming from
The term 'bible bigot' may sting a little at first, but just thinking about what was actually said for just a split second would allow someone with the smallest amount of common sense to catch what you're throwin without getting all butthurt
MatticusMania said:
As a Christian, I agree that there are a lot of bible bigots out there.
lowsound
I'm glad you're still with us buchananbass.
If you ever feel your will to live waning again please PM me before reaching for the car keys, OK?
- John
As a Christian myself, I was not offended by the usage. Because let's face it...there are certainly large numbers of bigots amongst our numbers. But it's not all like that....if you ever hear the phrase "affirming church" it refers specifically to churches (generally protestant) that openly embrace LGBT people. And with no strings attached either...we don't attempt to "fix" them or whatever phrase you want to use. Just accept them just like anybody else.
Are you a small town-dwelling heterosexual person who is curious about how it feels to be a target of the anti-Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual, and Trans-gender discrimination faced by most LGBT teens day-in & day-out?
Well here's your chance to experience being socially shunned, ridiculed, insulted, and perhaps even assaulted (without first having to... mmm.., you know... ;-)
Once the warm weather returns just make yourself a bulls-eye for bigotry by wearing one of these in public everywhere you go--day & night...
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https://secure.itgetsbetterproject.com/page/contribute/t-shirt?source=11-24facebook
For those who really want to walk on the wild side, the above garment can be [Invalid or Expired Link Removed].
Well here's your chance to experience being socially shunned, ridiculed, insulted, and perhaps even assaulted (without first having to... mmm.., you know... ;-)
Once the warm weather returns just make yourself a bulls-eye for bigotry by wearing one of these in public everywhere you go--day & night...
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https://secure.itgetsbetterproject.com/page/contribute/t-shirt?source=11-24facebook
For those who really want to walk on the wild side, the above garment can be [Invalid or Expired Link Removed].
After I saw that on youtube last week I called the Councilman's office to express how much appreciation and respect I have for him stepping up and being so candid and human about the topic.
"[Invalid or Expired Link Removed], the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, is the leading national education organization focused on ensuring safe schools for all students. Established in 1990, GLSEN envisions a world in which every child learns to respect and accept all people, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity/expression. GLSEN seeks to develop school climates where difference is valued for the positive contribution it makes to creating a more vibrant and diverse community."
The Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network (GLSEN) (Facebook)
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To underscore GLSEN's mission statement it is worth pointing out that LGBT people can be found amongst the members of every human tribe on Earth (here's a few of them) and at *every point in recorded history.
*Some examples: Category:LGBT royalty
Therefore I submit that being LGBT is a part of the human condition as natural as being tall or short or skinny or fat.
People who are different are just different people folks.
The Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network (GLSEN) (Facebook)
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To underscore GLSEN's mission statement it is worth pointing out that LGBT people can be found amongst the members of every human tribe on Earth (here's a few of them) and at *every point in recorded history.
*Some examples: Category:LGBT royalty
Therefore I submit that being LGBT is a part of the human condition as natural as being tall or short or skinny or fat.
People who are different are just different people folks.
PS. I definitely think people in their 20's are also a high risk group for suicide, not necessarily related to bullying but trapped self hatred that is compounded from the teen years.
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