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Fretless Conversion

Outshined91

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I realize dozen's upon dozen's of threads have been made about turning a fretted bass into a fretless but I have never done this before and I really have three big questions. I have a cheap 4 string Ibanez lying around and I would really love a fretless. Anyway:

1. What tool do you use to pull the frets?
2. What's the best material to fill the fret gaps with?
3. Anything I should be cautious about when doing this (rookie mistakes, etc.)?

Thanks!
 
1. I bought the stewmac fret puller pliers. They worked.
2. I used black plastic of some sort to fill the slots on my maple fingerboard. I have not noticed any ridges coming up, but they are under a coat of cyanoacrylate (super glue). If your fingerboard is rosewood and want to leave it uncoated, you may want to use maple veneer instead of plastic. Some people say the plastic forms ridges on the fingerboard as the wood contracts. Other people will tell you not to worry about it.
3. Work slowly. I got a little rambunctious and tore out a little more wood than I wanted to. On the other hand it took almost no time at all to get all of the frets out and I filled all of the divots with super glue while coating the fingerboard.
3a. Mask off the rest of the neck if you coat the fingerboard. Wear goggles, a respirator and gloves if you use superglue. That stuff is gnarly. I used the gloves to smear the coats on the board.

Good luck. I thought it was a fun project and enjoy mine.
 
Thanks so much! I should have a respirator lying around somewhere. My fingerboard is rosewood and it would be nice to leave it uncoated. That being said, is it feasible to use super glue as the fret filler?
 
Super glue would be a poor choice as a fret slot filler. It would be messy and hard to control, and it doesn't really build thickness or fill gaps well. Ideally you should use a solid material - styrene plastic works well and is available in appropriate thicknesses from model train hobby shops or online. Or you can use standard wood veneer (which is usually right around 1/40 - 1/42" thick, the same thickness as a typical fret slot). For plastic or wood, you just glue in oversized pieces, then trim/sand flush to the fretboard afterwards.

You don't need to coat your fretboard, especially for something harder like rosewood, unless you use aggressive strings and play aggressively. You can always do the conversion without coating it, and then see how it looks after 6 months of play and decide if you want to coat it then. Coating fretboard on a used bass with unknown history can be hit or miss, if the fretboard was treated in the past (i.e. with those snake oil "fretboard conditioner" type products), it can make coating it a huge mess, since things might not stick well.

As far as a tool to pull the frets, there are lots of choices. You can use standard issue hardware store end nippers - of course, you don't want to actually cut the fretwire, but it's easy to get the jaws of end nippers under a fret to pull it out. Stewmac's fret puller tool is basically modified end nippers, at any rate. When I pull frets, I just use my actual flush cutters - the same ones I use to cut fretwire. Regardless of the tool, the biggest trick is to go slowly and take your time and be mindful of not pulling up chips of fretboard as the tang comes out of the wood. Some frets will just pop right out with a scary-small effort, others need to be coaxed or you may need to try tricks (check the various fretless conversion threads) to get them out without damage to the wood.

Things to be cautious about are well covered in those various threads, too. Probably the biggest gotcha for many people is that once you've removed the frets, you've inherently changed the geometry of the neck, as if you've taken off .04" or so of height. On some basses, you can compensate for that by cutting deeper slots in the nut and dropping the bridge saddles and pickup heights. But, check your bass - if the bridge saddles are already as low as they'll go, or near to it, you might not have enough adjustment range. If that's the case, you may need to shim your neck to bring it back up such that the fretboard is at the height that the frets used to be at.
 
As above, don't use superglue to fill the slots. I did use it to glue the strips of plastic in the slots, though. Super glue is very runny. I spent a bunch of time cleaning it up afterwards because I did not mask well. Acetone dissolves superglue, which is also good to have on hand for separating sticky/stuck fingers. Get a small saw to clean out the fret slots, too. I bought a super thin exacto saw on amazon that worked well. I didn't try to cut the slots any lower. I just drew the saw through the slots to get rid of any leftover bits.

I have used rounds on uncoated rosewood fingerboards without ruining the fingerboards. Some people will say it chews them to pieces and that you should only use flats on an uncoated fretless fingerboard. Fooey on them. Vibrato is up and down the neck on a fretless, not side to side.

Good luck!
 
I used the Stew Mac pliers and filled the slots by gluing in maple purfling. I did heat the frets with a soldering iron first before pulling. Worked pretty good.

Just go slow, take your time and backfill any chips with sawdust/superglue before sanding.

Here's the way old thread.
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Thanks so much guys! So far, looking to get some styrene plastic and possibly the wire cutters/fret pullers if I don't have similar ones on hand. I'll use super glue and make sure to clean the slots. I have a 5-string set of DR's lying around - since I'm probably going to end up filing the nut slots a little, I might make it a BEAD fretless while I'm at it (if the B string fits at the bridge). I have a lot of time on my hands thanks to the quarantine so may as well start this project! I'm excited! :D

@aproud1 that looks really clean and neat! Awesome! :)
 
I used the Stew Mac pliers and filled the slots by gluing in maple purfling. I did heat the frets with a soldering iron first before pulling. Worked pretty good.

Just go slow, take your time and backfill any chips with sawdust/superglue before sanding.

Here's the way old thread.
Defret complete!


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Heating the metallic fret wouldnt make it grow? Wouldnt it be better if frets are cold?
 
I have used rounds on uncoated rosewood fingerboards without ruining the fingerboards. Some people will say it chews them to pieces and that you should only use flats on an uncoated fretless fingerboard. Fooey on them.

Nothing but rounds for four years and counting on my fingerboards (all uncoated rosewood). Yeah, there’s some marks. That’s it. Some of the stories people tell here are ridiculous.
 
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I don't know. This all sounds like a lot of work. For the average person a probable half arsed result, ruining a perfectly good bass making it basically worthless. Would you buy a bass from someone that ripped out the frets and filled the slots with who knows what? Not me.

I converted a Fender Jazz bass 3 years ago. I took off the neck and sold it with the tuners for $200 on Ebay. I took that money and bought a Warmoth lined fretless neck out of their "Screaming Good Deal" section for $220, and a set of new Schaller tuners from them for $59. The result was it looked perfect, played perfect, 30 minutes labor, 0 headaches and a net cost of $79.
 
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I don't know. This all sounds like a lot of work. For the average person a probable half arsed result, ruining a perfectly good bass making it basically worthless. Would you buy a bass from someone that ripped out the frets and filled the slots with who knows what? Not me.

I converted a Fender Jazz bass 3 years ago. I took off the neck and sold it with the tuners for $200 on Ebay. I took that money and bought a Warmoth lined fretless neck out of their "Screaming Good Deal" section for $220, and a set of new Schaller tuners from them for $59. The result was it looked perfect, played perfect, 30 minutes labor, 0 headaches and a net cost of $79.
Sometimes, perfection is not a perfect fit. OP seems as if he needs a longer duration project...while your process is undeniably "better"...delivery problems do exist...and it is just too darn fast.:bassist:
 
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You don't need to coat your fretboard, especially for something harder like rosewood, unless you use aggressive strings and play aggressively.
I'll double this sentiment. A lot of people around these parts will start talking about fretboard wear, don't listen to em. I have had the same rounds on my Yamaha fretless for over 15 years and the board barely shows it. Resellers paranoia.
 
I forget what I used to pull the frets on my $99 MARS Xmas Special Ibanez knock-off, but I know didn't buy a special tool for it. I think I used flat-cutting wire cutters. Luckily, with a cheap clone, the frets were pretty easy to pull, and my worry factor was basically nil. Having used a previous El Cheapo as a test mule for the process, I had already worked out a good thickness of styrene strips to use as filler. Pics and description of mine are here. Good luck! :thumbsup:
 
I used a knife to remove frets, it was thin bladed enough so it didn’t gouge the finger board wood.

For less than $20 I have enough of the hobbyist styrene plastic to convert about 800 guitars to fretless.

there are gel type crazy glues that are easier to control

I went with CA coated on the two rosewood conversions I did, just because it was easier to make it look pretty, and that’s what Jaco did..

I have various other fretless fingerboard woods and notice no substantial wear with roundwounds on any type. Learning proper vibrato helps.