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Fretless players; lined or unlined? and why?

Lined or unlined?

  • Lined

    Votes: 108 31.5%
  • unlined

    Votes: 182 53.1%
  • carrots

    Votes: 53 15.5%

  • Total voters
    343
Unlined.
-Started on upright so dots are enough for me.
-I much prefer the aesthetics of a blank board.
- Stage Look. People listen with their eyes. If I'm playing a fretless I want the audience to know it. Anything that makes you stand out positively in performance is good.
 
In the FWIW dept....here are the paths I have traveled with fretless.

I started playing bass guitar in 1970 at age 15; mostly Woodstock music, Chuck Berry, and British Invasion music - especially the King Crimson / Yes derivatives. Stanley Clarke blew my mind in 1973 with the RTF Soundstage performance in Chicago (it’s on YT); and I resolved to learn upright, starting with classical training. Being all in, I sold my car and bought an upright bass and a long scale Alembic LSB - which played / sounded nothing at all like Stanley’s bass. In fact, I pretty quickly had that bass defretted and put D’Addario Half Rounds on it, reasoning that I would get something like an upright effect with it. Jaco was by then blowing my mind; but, back then, I would admire the great players, but tried to forge my own sound.

Ultimately, I decided the reach to the lower positions on the fretless LSB was too much, and purchased a ‘75 Jazz Bass, and a Warmoth fretless neck with an unlined ebony board. I put round wounds on that bass, and played it for two solid years on a weekly basis as house player for an open mic Blues / Rock gig. In fact, I played that bass so much that I eventually wore “groove” spots into the guitar chord root position notes, and had to fill those. I also coated that board with Minwax polyurethane, which was outstanding, retaining warmth but allowing the notes to speak clearly.

I eventually removed that neck, and it resides in retirement in my closet. I didn’t especially care for the feel that the steel bars contributed. Also, I found that while the neck looked cool, large shifts into the upper register for quick fills suffered a bit from shift accuracy. Audiences didn’t notice the visual stuff, but the intonation thing mattered. So, I went ahead with a lined board, which cleaned up those fills for me, and made it a whole lot easier to play Real Book heads in the upper register.

I’ve been through a few other fretless basses, lined and unlined, since then; attempting to sort out what I wanted in a 5 string. I’ve eventually settled on a lined Zon Sonus Special 5 with a Pope preamp; and am pretty much done. It’s a great bass. I don’t find anyone cares about the appearance one way or the other; but, they do notice the intonation.

It is possible to nail the intonation thing by mechanical memory. Somewhere I’ve seen vids of a blind (I believe female) fretless player who absolutely kills it. So, it is possible, if the looks really matter to you. I’m too old to worry about that any more. In recent years, I’ve been much more absorbed by progress with my upright playing. For one thing, Jazz gigs where I can exploit the fretless bass guitar have become much less frequent for me. I wish that would change.

GL
 
Keep in mind that the greatest bass player who ever lived had a fretless with lines.View attachment 4170871
That may be true, but I can state unequivocally that what, how, or on what instrument Jaco played has zero influence on my instrument choices.

Much respect to him -and maybe if I had any interest in solo playing things would be different- but he just doesn't figure in the equation.
 
Doesn't matter.
My DB is unlined, but one of my Jags is slated to be declawed, uhr, have its frets pulled, and so therefore shall be lined.

Unlined or lined both look good, but I'm not listenin' with my eyes while playing.

I like the stealth aspect of lined, 'cause the people in the back can't tell it's fretless 'til you throw in some saucy gliss.
Or at an open jam and someone wants to sit in and you hand them the lined fretless and they suddenly realise "WTFudgesicle?"

Okay, they both look good, but unlined looks great.

Simple, clean...
 
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For me, coming from DB first, I prefer unlined. Previously I had a lined fretless but was never really comfortable with it. My unlined fretless has side dots at the normal fret positions in case I need a reference point.
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An unlined fretless neck looks fantastic.

From a distance, a lined neck looks like a fretted bass. But, those comments are about aesthetics.

I like a lined neck because I suck on fretless. But, I don't see lines as cheating. After all, fretless players use the edge dots as a reference. Jaco's J Bass had lines. At the time, he could have mounted a lineless Fender P neck unto his Jazz Bass if he wanted.