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Frustration on my JERZY DROZD build. Please help me.

Fair, but an optimistic incorrect schedule forecast isn't really justification for throwing the builder under the bus, either. Let's all just simmer down a bit and see how the renewed communications works out. I'm assuming JD hasn't gotten back on the top because he simply hasn't reached that point yet, doesn't mean nothing's happening.

I AM SIMMER!!!! Just kidding. I have 0 experience with this process so I defer to the experts on how how that goes and what to expect. It goes to show however that honest, clear, communication would have avoided all this. If we can do it why can't they.
 
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I find it hard to believe these guys don't at least have a room with more dried wood to choose from. What does he do, go cut a tree when a bad body comes out? C'mon! I call b/s, and it's not the first I've heard of his (I live in Spain and have couple friends with JDs and both had to stand quite some b/s from the guy -for basses I find pretty average honestly-). Won't elaborate as it's not my first hand experience but let me tell you my first hand experience, some 10 years ago another friend had her Squier "setup" by JD (for a steep charge) and I had to set it up all over again as it was unplayable, to the point I first though it was a joke. This was after a second tweak by the guy as she took it in a second time to try fix the mess, to which the guy posed all kinds of excuses and plain crap (and then classic "blame the Squier" -which had nothing wrong BTW- number and some borderline attitude ontop of it), without solving the problem (can't be done worse, high as hell, yet buzzing like crazy, amazing). Regarding basses they're not my cup of tea at all, I like some shapes but don't like sterile sound (some call it modern), and basic things like a fast neck or nice playability are not any more mind blowing than instruments 1/3rd the price. Thus for me JD has overpriced written all over, so customer neglect does not surprise me at all.

call BS if you like, but many of the smaller guitar builders i know buy wood as it's needed, at least some woods, and they have to let it dry a bit before using it. smaller builders aren't like martin - they don't have a huge storage facility temperature and humidity controlled. my husband has a small shop in our condo, and we can only store a few sets of wood at a time. and when i ordered a custom guitar, the builder - who did keep me in the loop at all times - had to order the wood after he got to my order because i wanted a red cedar top and he was out of red cedar.
 
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I had Linc Luthier build me two basses back in the day. First one took 2 1/2 years. Second one took almost 2 years. Linc was great, but never again will I work with a builder that is going to take that long. I'd only wait on a Sadowsky or a Carl Thompson if I was going to wait. I've had Kinal build me three basses...average time was 6-8 months. This is reasonable, but still a long time to wait. I'd buy another Kinal, but anything longer than that forget it.
 
Hi,

Sorry about your frustration with the build time. I have not had the time to read through this entire thread but here are some of my thoughts. I ordered a bass from Xavier Lorita who worked for Jerzy. He briefly spoke about his experience there and he said that the customer service at Jerzy can be rough. Can you get your deposit back? My bass from Xavier is great. Plus, his customer service is awesome. I reached him anytime from Facebook messenger.

You might also try to contact Dan Lenard at Luthier Access Group in Chicago. He orders from Jerzy and might be able to shed some light.

Hang in there.
 
Fair, but an optimistic incorrect schedule forecast isn't really justification for throwing the builder under the bus, either. Let's all just simmer down a bit and see how the renewed communications works out. I'm assuming JD hasn't gotten back on the top because he simply hasn't reached that point yet, doesn't mean nothing's happening.
True. She got back to me again. Was very apologetic and explained the time and energy that goes into this. She asked me again what tops that I was considering and she will mention to Jerzy. So we'll see.
 
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This is an interesting thread. I've always coveted a Jerzy Drozd, but not at that time line. There are plenty of instruments out there. I think asking for better communication is not out of line and frankly, it is JD's responsibility to make that happen.
look at it like this... if there are 10 - 20 basses in line before yours... How is he going to complete yours in 6 months? I know he builds maybe 2 dozen instruments a year. maybe less now that he doesn't have an apprentice with him.
It just isn't realistic to think Jerzy ( or any in demand boutique builder) could complete a custom build in 6 months, and would even be considered if one did their research.

Schlyder, I appreciate your patience, but the builder should have presented a more reasonable timeline. By underestimating the build time, he is inviting trouble where there doesn't need to be any. Once again, this is JD's responsibility! Not the OP's and frankly, not his problem either.

and I won't even mention the wait for a Darren Huff bass LOL

The wait time for a Darren Huff bass is over! It ain't happening!
 
call BS if you like, but many of the smaller guitar builders i know buy wood as it's needed, at least some woods, and they have to let it dry a bit before using it. smaller builders aren't like martin - they don't have a huge storage facility temperature and humidity controlled. my husband has a small shop in our condo, and we can only store a few sets of wood at a time. and when i ordered a custom guitar, the builder - who did keep me in the loop at all times - had to order the wood after he got to my order because i wanted a red cedar top and he was out of red cedar.

In my afore-mentioned build by Jake Marchlewski, he was building the body while showing me boards that he would be able to go out and get to make my top and back. He did not just have them sitting in a dry room. He had a source that he used that he could just contact and say "I'll buy boards 7Q, 8B and 5T". Once I decided on the boards, they arrived at his shopped very quickly.
 
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I know this doesn't help or ease the situation, but most of the time you wait on a custom build is waiting for the people involved to actually build it. I've seen some of everybody's favorite builders complete a complex build in less than a month - That's how long it really takes. Bear in mind it takes years and years to acquire those skills, though. That said, the long wait stems from the people who have orders in that come before yours. It's not unusual for builders to quote short wait times in order to attract clients into making deposits. Once they've got your money you're trapped into the deal in most cases.

The non-communication from Drozd isn't acceptable, and he should be up front about wait times and be more transparent about communications, as there's a lot of money and trust involved from the buyer. A lot of the "shoulds" don't get done due to short staffing/no staffing and time constraints. This is common if a manufacturer can't handle the amount of business they get. We've seen this happen with dozens of pedal companies. It's not uncommon with small boutique builders in all aspects of business. Not a defense, but this stuff happens - a lot.

I'd suggest that the only thing a prospective buyer can do in these cases is properly research the builder before the purchase or deposit. Many years ago, I refrained from custom ordering a Fodera because the wait times were extremely long and no one really knew what was going on there. It was just a known thing at the time - the instruments were still great and I bought one used. Things have impoved there significantly but they had to partner with a degreed professional to fix the situation. I'd order a custom from them now because there are happy clients everywhere.
 
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I know this doesn't help or ease the situation, but most of the time you wait on a custom build is waiting for the people involved to actually build it. I've seen some of everybody's favorite builders complete a complex build in less than a month. That's how long it really takes. That said, the wait stems from the people who have orders in that come before yours. It's not unusual for builders to quote short wait times in order to attract clients into making deposits. Once they've got your money you're trapped into the deal in most cases.

The non-communication from Drozd isn't acceptable, and he should be up front about wait times and be more transparent about communications, as there's a lot of money and trust involved from the buyer. A lot of the "shoulds" don't get done due to short staffing/no staffing and time constraints. This is common if a manufacturer can't handle the amount of business they get. We've seen this happen with dozens of pedal companies. It's not uncommon with small boutique builders in all aspects of business.

I'd suggest that the only thing a prospective buyer can do in these cases is properly research the builder before the purchase or deposit. Many years ago, I refrained from custom ordering a Fodera because the wait times were extremely long and no one really knew what was going on there. It was just a known thing at the time - the instruments were still great and I bought one used. Things have impoved there significantly but they had to partner with a degreed professional to fix the situation. I'd order a custom from them now because there are happy clients everywhere.
Thank you for your feedback. Unlike the person before you.
 
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This point has been made, but I'll chime in to make it again.
Basically every custom builder I know (which is quite a few) comes up against this dynamic from time to time with clients. There is a common and reasonable (IMO) idea among many clients that the wait time for a custom build is fully spent building the instrument. Most of the time, this is just not the case. Most of the wait time is, in fact, waiting for your 'build slot' to come up in sequence. Once the instrument goes into the actual build process, it often goes quite quickly.

Often, this is why a builder may contact a client fairly late in the wait time, with some fundamental question (i.e. wood choice etc.) - this just means that your slot has come on deck and is about to start getting built.
I understand that this can be jarring for clients sometimes, to be asked "where do we start" months after they think the instrument has begun. However, it's just how it goes with the workflow in a custom shop environment.
I usually go over all the details in advance, but will often revisit them as the build approaches, sometimes several months after the deposit has been placed (and, incidentally, probably spent...deposits generally serve the purpose of keeping the lights on and paying for the parts/finish/etc. for the basses that are ahead of yours in the queue. This is standard practice, maybe even inevitable. However, it's also why most builders are very reluctant to approach the notion of returning a deposit.)

None of this excuses bad communication - I firmly believe that a builder should respond promptly to any client who is on the waiting list. The builder should also initiate contact when delays arise that will lengthen the projected wait. Please note that many builders, including myself, do not *guarantee* a delivery date. Most anyone who has done this for a living knows that such a guarantee would be dangerous, as there are way too many externalities (unpredictable finish chemistry, machine problems, etc.) to make that kind of thing practical.
Most clients are understanding of this reality when it's presented honestly.

However, it's also fair to say that, at least from this builder's perspective, I don't think it's incumbent on the builder to "build a relationship" or maintain regular contact with a client during this initial waiting period, unless it's necessary for the build (i.e. to buy materials in advance, etc.). Please bear in mind that the clients whose guitars are currently in process also need communication, and those clients usually use up the small available time that most single-person shops have available for email/phone contact.

Above all - Jerzy is a well-known and well-established builder with lots of instruments out in the world.
He's got a good track record and a reputation to uphold. If you're willing to wait the time it will take, the bass he delivers will surely be as exceptional as all of the JD's I've seen/played. His long wait, like Fodera's and many others, is a function of the market recognizing the quality of his work (i.e. strong demand), combined with his maintenance of a high standard of craft and personal oversight (i.e. short supply). This is, ultimately, what most custom bass clients are really after, and what they're paying for.

Best of luck!
 
Regarding communication, It's as impressive as it is asinine, what customers will excuse and give passes to. There's so many argumental fallacies in this thread it's ridiculous.

On communication alone: Being a business owner that takes custom orders is absolutely about communication. Whether you are a lowly 1-man amateur, or a 500-man mega complex. Being a popular, 1-man perfectionist builder with a wait time DOES NOT, in any way, correlate to getting a pass, or being exempt from proper, timely communication. Not speaking a language is no excuse for not responding to emails. If you'll take international money (obviously converted) in exchange for a service, you're expected to provide adequate communication. A time-frame is a commitment. At any point that commitment date is pushed off, communication to every single order is necessary. You should not feel lucky to recieve communication, or consider it a friendly heads-up that wasn't warranted. It's a basic fundamental right to the customers who keep that very business afloat. A small operation with huge wait times and poor communication tells me a few things: they're trying to maximize profit while curbing necessary business tools; they're scaling the workload too fast, and NOT the company or employees and need to cap off orders; or, they shouldn't be in a public business to begin with.

Being a nice bass, does not correlate to bad communication. The quality of the bass and the expectation of product is built into the price of the instrument. That, and that alone is where the builder has valued his time, effort, materials, and such.

A well communicated wait time, however long, should be the only thing that differentiates these builders.

Excusing the builder for having delays is a bonus for the builder, not a right they are entitled to. Delays should be built into the time-frame. It's unreasonable to assume every build will go perfect every time and as such, it's not the customers problem. It should have been conveyed from the beginning that issues arise and that can vary the wait time by xxxxx days,weeks,months,years.

Stop Excusing bad customer communication as the by-product of recieving a quality product. Both are paid for and expected by the customer.

Can't afford adequate customer communication?- raise your prices to offset the extra time spent using the preferred email method, or hire another employee.

Pissy communication on the customer's behalf however, is also not warranted. Convey your feelings with maturity, solidity, facts and expectations. Cursing, blaming, and sarcasm, is not condusive to getting your product any faster.
 
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