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Full range (synth) cab questions... again. (EA, Berg, etc)

I'm stuck between EA and Bergantino. Which direction should I go

  • Sell the EA-CXL110 and get a Bergantino with a tweeter

    Votes: 10 47.6%

  • Sell the Bergantino EX112S, and get a EA cab that goes deep.

    Votes: 4 19.0%

  • Sell either one of the cabs and get a Carvin LSX1503

    Votes: 2 9.5%

  • Sell both cabs and get a Dr. Bass 2460 (or other Dr. Bass)

    Votes: 5 23.8%
  • Total voters
    21
K2000

K2000

Nov 16, 2005
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Brooklyn
#1
I'm still trying to work out a full range cab setup for my synth work. I have several different directions I could go.

I already own a Euphonic Audio CXL-110. Great for highs but lacks the low end oomph.

I already own a Bergantino EX112S. Nice low end, but doesn't have the high end sizzle.

I've been pairing these cabs together lately, with good results, but they don't fit together very well (size wise). I need to come up with a better long term solution.

Also, if I go with a 2-cab setup (Bergantino EX112s and HT112S for example) do I need a crossover somewhere? Or do I just let each cabinet "do what it does best" by feeding each cab the same signal? Should I use the stereo mode on my power amp (send separate signals to each) or do I get better performance by daisy-chaining a bridged signal?
 
#6
tom once dead said:
I voted on the first option, What berg. cab will you get?
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I would probably try to find a HT112S or a HT210S, to add to the EX112S I already have. Size/weight and portability are factors for me.

What about running my amp stereo vs. bridged? Does it matter?

And do I need a crossover somewhere, or do I just let the cabs find their own range, on their own.

What is optimal?
 
#7
K2000 said:
I'm still trying to work out a full range cab setup for my synth work. I have several different directions I could go.

I already own a Euphonic Audio CXL-110. Great for highs but lacks the low end oomph.

I already own a Bergantino EX112S. Nice low end, but doesn't have the high end sizzle.

I've been pairing these cabs together lately, with good results, but they don't fit together very well (size wise). I need to come up with a better long term solution.

Also, if I go with a 2-cab setup (Bergantino EX112s and HT112S for example) do I need a crossover somewhere? Or do I just let each cabinet "do what it does best" by feeding each cab the same signal? Should I use the stereo mode on my power amp (send separate signals to each) or do I get better performance by daisy-chaining a bridged signal?
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No crossover needed. For your tone goals, and since you have an EX112s already, I would peruse the used amp/cab part of the site for an 8ohm HT122s (the tweeter version of your 112) or HT210s (the 210 with the same footprint as you EX112s, with a tweeter).

The 's' stack is basically an HT322 in modular form, and would be GREAT for synth bass... deep, wide, but very, very precise and clear up top (Jim uses a big 'PA type' horn with the 's' cabs).

Regarding stereo or mono, it would most probably make sense to run bridged into two 8ohm cabs. The 's' cabs are relatively low SPL and can take a lot of power. Running bridged into two 8ohm cabs results in the power amp running at 4ohm per side, which is usually the optimal impedance for maximum clean power without pushing the amp to its extreme limits.

If you can't find an 8 ohm 's' cab with a tweeter, and you like the low end on your HT112s, you might consider selling both your cabs and investing in the new HT112er/EX112er stack.... from what I understand, big low end extension like the HT112s, and a very smooth, natural sounding tweeter.

Edit: I'm not a big fan of the newer EA cabs, but another option would be to hunt down an EA NM410 (I think I have that model name correct... the current neo 410). It uses a PA type horn similar to the 's' cabs, and is wide and deeply voiced. It only comes in 8 ohm version, which would work well with your bridged power amp. These cabs haven't caught on at all, and I have a feeling you could get quite a deal on one that's been sitting in a store for a while, etc.
 
#8
I have to bump this thread with an update...

I think the speaker in my EA CXL110 cab is blown... :bawl:

Since my last post, I continued to run my EA along with the Berg 112S while looking for replacement cab, and tonight the EA cab went silent. I am very, very bummed.

I guess there's a .01% chance that the 1/4" input is bad, but I doubt it (I don't have a Speakon cable to test the other input). I'm running full range through my speakers, including some low rumble type sounds. I wish I would have tried a crossover...

I tried pushing on the speaker cone and couldn't tell if there was anything wrong. The speaker moved freely about an inch, then gave more resistance (I'm guessing that's pretty normal).

:bawl:

What do I do with this EA box now? Is it worth replacing the speaker (and then re-purposing the cab, I guess)???
 
#9
I would definately get something with a 12" or 15" for synth work.
10" unless you have a lot of them, probably won't cut it.

i have a microkorg and a juno G. all those patches can rumble and bottom out many cabs.

have you thought of a powered or unpowered full range PA cab with a 15" or a hefty 12".
 
#10
K2000 said:
I have to bump this thread with an update...

I think the speaker in my EA CXL110 cab is blown... :bawl:

Since my last post, I continued to run my EA along with the Berg 112S while looking for replacement cab, and tonight the EA cab went silent. I am very, very bummed.

I guess there's a .01% chance that the 1/4" input is bad, but I doubt it (I don't have a Speakon cable to test the other input). I'm running full range through my speakers, including some low rumble type sounds. I wish I would have tried a crossover...

I tried pushing on the speaker cone and couldn't tell if there was anything wrong. The speaker moved freely about an inch, then gave more resistance (I'm guessing that's pretty normal).

:bawl:

What do I do with this EA box now? Is it worth replacing the speaker (and then re-purposing the cab, I guess)???
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Contact EA they may help you out.
 
#12
origami said:
I would definately get something with a 12" or 15" for synth work.
10" unless you have a lot of them, probably won't cut it.
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Why do you think that 12" or 15" is necessary?
I personally find that 10" speakers work great for synth, especially for punchy, responsive sub-bass work and filter blips.

My old Aguilar DB750 and Eden 4x10 rig sounded fine, and my new Demeter pre and Berg IP 310 totally KILLS.

Admittedly, I do mostly synth bass work, and if you're looking for big pads or poly-synth stuff, then 12" might be better.
 
#13
synth stuff, of the two, i say definitely the EA. i had an old cxl112 that i used forever. sounded great, but weighed more than your mom. my old acme b2 was killer, too, but again, heavy and for certain shows, i'd have to fiddle w/ the EQ to find a good sound for either the synth or my bass. kinda annoying.

these days, i've been using my epifani ul112 cabs, and they're terrific. not quite as aggressively bass voiced as other cabs out there, yet still punchy enough for my bass rig. on my epifani 902 head, i usually feed the top channel for my reason / ableton setup, and the bottom channel for my sadowsky, and i'm ready to rock your face. my synth sounds arent ruined, and my bass sits thick.

funny this came up, cause my nord g2 finally made it to my door, and its FLIPPIN AWESOME. as soon as the tenori-on hits our shores, they and i, together, will rule the world. yes.
 
#14
jokerjkny said:
synth stuff, of the two, i say definitely the EA. i had an old cxl112 that i used forever. sounded great, but weighed more than your mom.
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+1

That's been my go-to for guitar synth for a few years now. I've used my AccuGroove Tri112L as the other part of a stereo pair occasionally too, with great results.

However, this'll give you a basic idea of the direction I'm moving these days:

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:eek:

I haven't done a pic yet with the guitar, guitar synth, tube guitar amp, and guitar EFX and sampler rack yet, but I will soon.
 
#16
RickenBoogie said:
Nice lookin' boxes you got there, Passinwind. Very impressive set-up.
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Thanks, I'm pretty happy with how the new cab in the middle came out. Eventually I'll build a match for it. I already have all the wood cut out and I bought all the drivers for two in one shot. Those boxes will double for PA when I need to provide it.

What you can't see right away is the Rane DSP speaker controller in the lower rack. The pedal and the footswitch work with that for EQ and compression presets and for EFX mixing, including real time blending and/or panning via the pedal. And it has a stereo digital return from the Lexicon, which gets an analog send from the Rane. It took me quite a while to figure out how to implement all this, and I'm still tweaking the Rane all the time as new ideas pop up. You can do that in real time with a laptop, which is perfect for a techie-dweeb like me.;)

The kicker is that all my current gigs are playing old school jazz on EUB, and I usually just bring a 112 and a 4 space rack, which is already overkill. I used the 3-way cab on the left for one gig last month with just unamplified grand piano and drums, and it still killed at low volume too.
 
#18
im gana have to skew off topic here and say that when i opened for jacob fred jazz odyssey recently, i noticed the keyboard player setting up an ampeg rig for his moog synth (i was thinking then what your thinking now. yuck.) and it seriously sounded nice..

but of the options listen, EA has always been kind to my ears..
 

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