Future Impact now available!! WAS: deep impact reissue!!! interested?

[Quatschmacher]

Actually the LFO is not a sine, it is a triangle. When the sum of the LFO signal + the offset reaches the upper limit of the arithmetic, then you would expect a saturation, as on your second drawing. But this is not the case (just as on most of all computer applications, except some special signal processing chips), after reaching the upper limit the arithmetic folds over from the highest number into the lowest. Therefore, first you have an always thinner positive pulse, then for a very short moment the pulse disappears, and after that it appears again but with opposite polarity. This is the reason of the loud click in the transition.

Andras Szalay

I was hearing

Actually the LFO is not a sine, it is a triangle. When the sum of the LFO signal + the offset reaches the upper limit of the arithmetic, then you would expect a saturation, as on your second drawing. But this is not the case (just as on most of all computer applications, except some special signal processing chips), after reaching the upper limit the arithmetic folds over from the highest number into the lowest. Therefore, first you have an always thinner positive pulse, then for a very short moment the pulse disappears, and after that it appears again but with opposite polarity. This is the reason of the loud click in the transition.

Andras Szalay

That makes sense. I am hearing two clicks though. The pulse width narrows to zero, clicks, widens a little bit again then immediately narrows to zero and clicks a second time. After the second click, the pulse width then fully widens to the level set in the offset. This behaviour repeats, where the pulse width does this quick double disappearing at the peak of the the LFO. Is that expected behaviour or would you only expect one click?

 

[Quatschmacher]

We did not set a deadline for applications, do not worry. But we want to start this as soon as possible.

Andras

I’ve just sent you the files and my application.

 

[Andras Szalay]

I was hearing

That makes sense. I am hearing two clicks though. The pulse width narrows to zero, clicks, widens a little bit again then immediately narrows to zero and clicks a second time. After the second click, the pulse width then fully widens to the level set in the offset. This behaviour repeats, where the pulse width does this quick double disappearing at the peak of the the LFO. Is that expected behaviour or would you only expect one click?

Of course, it clicks twice, first time when it gets into the foldover range, and the second time when it returns to normal.
Andras Szalay

 

[Quatschmacher]

Of course, it clicks twice, first time when it gets into the foldover range, and the second time when it returns to normal.
Andras Szalay

That makes sense. Thanks.

 

[Askia]

Can someone please share a Windows 64 bit editor with me? It's not downloadable from the Pandamidi site!
Thanks!

 

[Andras Szalay]

Can someone please share a Windows 64 bit editor with me? It's not downloadable from the Pandamidi site!
Thanks!

Gabor told me today that his server broke down completely, he has to buy a new one. Please have some patience for the while, and help each other if necessary.

Andras Szalay

 

[thumbslapper]

Has anyone successfully used a Source Audio Reflex as a USB MIDI adapter for the FI? I have the Reflex plugged into my MBP and the FI hooked into MIDI IN/OUT on the reflex. I'm able to pass MIDI tempo to the Source Audio fine, but the FI app isn't able to talk to the FI (it sees the Reflex MIDI adapter fine) and MIDI tempo doesn't look like its getting passed to it either. I haven't done a ton of debugging (I haven't hooked iPad with MIDI adapter up instead of hte FI to see if its getting MIDI messages), but has anyone succesfully done this?

My main purpose was to get MIDI tempo from mac --> Reflex so its LFO would be in sync - that works fine, but i want the FI LFO's to be in sync as well.

thx all! -carl

 

[BurningSkies]

Hey everyone, I'm diving into MIDI implementation for the Future Impact and a few other pedals in the next day or so. I'd love any insight & advice for a first time novice MIDI effects person.

Never one to go easy, I'm working with two controllers.
- Boss ES-5, with which I'll build multi-effect patches/chains with the loops & MIDI connected devices
-Disaster Area DMC-3XL-Gen3, which I plan to use to select and scroll patches rather than use the ES-5. This unit has an additional expression roller as well.

I did some post-purchase research and did find at least one person who is doing this with these two units successfully. Which reaffirms my choices and the notion that the DMC is an easier unit for 'scrolling' patches.

I've got a copy of the manual at hand as well.

My current plan is to run the MIDI: DMC-3XL -> ES-5 -> Strymon Timeline -> Future Impact -> Dr. Scientist The Atmosphere. This is purely based on the connections available (the DMC has a single MIDI i/o connector as does the Atmosphere and the others have dedicated in & out-through connectors).

Obviously this isn't the audio signal path.

Thoughts, feels, words of encouragement, discouragement, etc.?

 

[JimboP]

Interested to hear about this. I have a FI, meris Enzo and just bought an es5. Also a bunch of analog and digital pedals, some will go inside and some outside the es5's loops. It's messy at the moment and I'm still trying to get my head around the set up, but was planning on using the es5 to scroll FI and Enzo patches. What made you go to the DMC?

 

[maisbass]

I have an ES5 and have all my pedals hooked up tp it. But I only send program changes to it to turn loops on and off so I don't have to tap dance to control multiple pedals at once.. Thats it. No midi program changes for my pedals via ES5. All of my midi program changes are sent via iPad through Unreal Book. Two reasons for this.

Reason 1: A year ago I had an ES5 start fluctuating volume on one of the loops. PC board malfunction. The worst part was I realized all my program changes were stored in there and I was crippled on the gig. Way too many changes for me to tap dance through on each pedal manually.

Reason 2: I like to be modular with every aspect of my setup. Two, three cabs, no cabs... Korg Synth, no synth.. Large pedal board with ES5, small pedal board, etc.

There is always one constant for me. I have my iPad on all my gigs. So it made sense for me to include midi program changes for my pedals in my unreal app. This way no matter what configuration I use, pedals I bring, etc, I will always have the program changes for each pedal for each song I cover with me. I am also fortunate enough to have a spare iPad on my gigs as well just in case. But I've been gigging for about 10 years now with my iPad using Unreal book and it has NEVER let me down on a gig. It is rock solid.

 

[Chace90]

Hey everyone, I'm diving into MIDI implementation for the Future Impact and a few other pedals in the next day or so. I'd love any insight & advice for a first time novice MIDI effects person.

Never one to go easy, I'm working with two controllers.
- Boss ES-5, with which I'll build multi-effect patches/chains with the loops & MIDI connected devices
-Disaster Area DMC-3XL-Gen3, which I plan to use to select and scroll patches rather than use the ES-5. This unit has an additional expression roller as well.

I did some post-purchase research and did find at least one person who is doing this with these two units successfully. Which reaffirms my choices and the notion that the DMC is an easier unit for 'scrolling' patches.

I've got a copy of the manual at hand as well.

My current plan is to run the MIDI: DMC-3XL -> ES-5 -> Strymon Timeline -> Future Impact -> Dr. Scientist The Atmosphere. This is purely based on the connections available (the DMC has a single MIDI i/o connector as does the Atmosphere and the others have dedicated in & out-through connectors).

Obviously this isn't the audio signal path.

Thoughts, feels, words of encouragement, discouragement, etc.?

Me and @fivestringgecko control our FIs with MIDI a little bit. I can't speak for him, but all I do is send simple patch changes and on/off commands. If that's all you're doing, either the DMC or the ES-5 will work just fine to control the FI.

If you're using the DMC as the master mind of if at all, you could setup the ES-5 to do the heavy lifting. In other words, the DMC sends a simple patch change to the ES-5. Then the ES-5 is programmed to do one or more things when it receives each message. Turn on/off loops, recall its own patches, send multiple MIDI messages, etc. The ES-5 is so powerful in what it can do with MIDI. The main thing I'd do is read up on what all the ES-5 is capable of doing in terms of MIDI. It's extensive.

 

[BurningSkies]

Interested to hear about this. I have a FI, meris Enzo and just bought an es5. Also a bunch of analog and digital pedals, some will go inside and some outside the es5's loops. It's messy at the moment and I'm still trying to get my head around the set up, but was planning on using the es5 to scroll FI and Enzo patches. What made you go to the DMC?

When I started to look at loop solutions, I was looking for something that would give me a solid option to go between programmed loop patches and manual 'pick the loops' use. It ended up by being a bonus that the ES also could do MIDI patch recalls as part of that. It also means your MIDI pedals don't need to reside 'in the loops' as long as you've chosen their placement before or after with care.

But I was also interested in something that would make scrolling through patches easier than the FI's native control set. Easy enough to ratchet up, but the 'hit the button twice to go down' never really functions for me as I think it was intended, so I end up using the bank scroll to come all the way around again to get to a lower patch number if needed. The ES-5 doesn't really do this easily. I don't want to have to scroll and adjust and reconfigure on the fly...I just want a set of buttons that chooses a unit and allows up/down and another set that picks effects loop/MIDI presets...

The DMC has the ability to scroll way easier (one button up, one down), then also has a 'patch mode' as well if you want. It also has plenty of 'assignable flexibility' depending on what you chose. It'll nest to the left of the ES-5 and act as an expansion of basic abilities.

I have an ES5 and have all my pedals hooked up tp it. But I only send program changes to it to turn loops on and off so I don't have to tap dance to control multiple pedals at once.. Thats it. No midi program changes for my pedals via ES5. All of my midi program changes are sent via iPad through Unreal Book. Two reasons for this.

Reason 1: A year ago I had an ES5 start fluctuating volume on one of the loops. PC board malfunction. The worst part was I realized all my program changes were stored in there and I was crippled on the gig. Way too many changes for me to tap dance through on each pedal manually.

Reason 2: I like to be modular with every aspect of my setup. Two, three cabs, no cabs... Korg Synth, no synth.. Large pedal board with ES5, small pedal board, etc.

There is always one constant for me. I have my iPad on all my gigs. So it made sense for me to include midi program changes for my pedals in my unreal app. This way no matter what configuration I use, pedals I bring, etc, I will always have the program changes for each pedal for each song I cover with me. I am also fortunate enough to have a spare iPad on my gigs as well just in case. But I've been gigging for about 10 years now with my iPad using Unreal book and it has NEVER let me down on a gig. It is rock solid.

Yeah, I've taken my iPad on a gig before, for a FOH mix. It made it approximately 1 set before having a cracked screen. I do have a smaller pad I use for IEM mixes in a ruggedized case but have no desire for one for my effects setup. I honestly use effects sparingly but often layer a number of things together and right now am not using the FI for any extended stretches in the set...so this will be an easier way forward. Also, during rehearsal, writing and practice it will give me a chance to scroll easily through sounds or effects on the fly to 'try things out'. There are a few 'open ended' parts in the set...interstitial moments between songs, a few things in songs where I can use a variety of things...and this will let me pick and choose as well.

 

[BurningSkies]

Me and @fivestringgecko control our FIs with MIDI a little bit. I can't speak for him, but all I do is send simple patch changes and on/off commands. If that's all you're doing, either the DMC or the ES-5 will work just fine to control the FI.

If you're using the DMC as the master mind of if at all, you could setup the ES-5 to do the heavy lifting. In other words, the DMC sends a simple patch change to the ES-5. Then the ES-5 is programmed to do one or more things when it receives each message. Turn on/off loops, recall its own patches, send multiple MIDI messages, etc. The ES-5 is so powerful in what it can do with MIDI. The main thing I'd do is read up on what all the ES-5 is capable of doing in terms of MIDI. It's extensive.

The ES-5 will be for 'patch based' stuff, so effects loops plus MIDI presets. I don't expect to use the DMC to control the ES-5, as much as to use it for some of the things that are a little more buried in the ES's setup.

 

[Chace90]

The ES-5 will be for 'patch based' stuff, so effects loops plus MIDI presets. I don't expect to use the DMC to control the ES-5, as much as to use it for some of the things that are a little more buried in the ES's setup.

Gotcha. So more of a bank selector, etc for the ES-5?

 

[Chace90]

Gotcha. So more of a bank selector, etc for the ES-5?

My only real MIDI tip I have is just making sure each pedal is set on its own channel. You don't want 2 pedals responding to the exact same command for obvious reasons. I believe it's pretty rare that any 2 given pedals have identical MIDI commands.

 

[BurningSkies]

Gotcha. So more of a bank selector, etc for the ES-5?

Think of it as a bank selector for individual MIDI pedals rather than the ES-5.

So the ES 5 does really well with manually selecting on/off the 5 loops or with selecting presets of your choice of effects loops & whatever MIDI effects pedals (and their chosen setting). So if you know there's a song that will use Fuzz-Envelope-Chorus and MIDI-Delay, you can have that patch as a preset.

...but if you want to ratchet through a handful of Future Impact patches to find one you like on the spur of the moment the ES isn't as friendly about that. So the DMC is better to work with.

 

[cosmicevan]

Has anyone successfully used a Source Audio Reflex as a USB MIDI adapter for the FI? I have the Reflex plugged into my MBP and the FI hooked into MIDI IN/OUT on the reflex. I'm able to pass MIDI tempo to the Source Audio fine, but the FI app isn't able to talk to the FI (it sees the Reflex MIDI adapter fine) and MIDI tempo doesn't look like its getting passed to it either. I haven't done a ton of debugging (I haven't hooked iPad with MIDI adapter up instead of hte FI to see if its getting MIDI messages), but has anyone succesfully done this?

My main purpose was to get MIDI tempo from mac --> Reflex so its LFO would be in sync - that works fine, but i want the FI LFO's to be in sync as well.

thx all! -carl

I use a reflex expression controller plugged into my FI via MIDI. I haven't created any patches of my own, but have tweaked a few of the user submitted patches. Many that I use work with the expression pedal, but not all. I'm eager for the next version of FI software/firmware so that I can REALLY experiment with some sweeps on different parameters, but for now, it gives a decent sweep effect on the patches I use it for.

 

[BurningSkies]

My only real MIDI tip I have is just making sure each pedal is set on its own channel. You don't want 2 pedals responding to the exact same command for obvious reasons. I believe it's pretty rare that any 2 given pedals have identical MIDI commands.

Yep. I've kind of sussed that out. My only question is, if I'm not using the DMC (the first in my chain) for controlling the ES-5, do I need to designate it with a channel of it's own as it's really just acting as a pass-through for the DMC. Otherwise I'd identify each device as 1, 2 or 3 on each controller...I think.

 

[Chace90]

Yep. I've kind of sussed that out. My only question is, if I'm not using the DMC (the first in my chain) for controlling the ES-5, do I need to designate it with a channel of it's own as it's really just acting as a pass-through for the DMC. Otherwise I'd identify each device as 1, 2 or 3 on each controller...I think.

Yeah, just make sure the ES-5 isn't on the same channel as the others, then it won't respond. I don't remember offhand if you can set it to be entirely passive to MIDI, only passing signals that go thru it. Doesn't sound like you'd want to do that anyway, right?

 

[cosmicevan]

Think of it as a bank selector for individual MIDI pedals rather than the ES-5.

So the ES 5 does really well with manually selecting on/off the 5 loops or with selecting presets of your choice of effects loops & whatever MIDI effects pedals (and their chosen setting). So if you know there's a song that will use Fuzz-Envelope-Chorus and MIDI-Delay, you can have that patch as a preset.

...but if you want to ratchet through a handful of Future Impact patches to find one you like on the spur of the moment the ES isn't as friendly about that. So the DMC is better to work with.

I dunno...it all sounds duplicative to me. When I first got the idea that I was going to use MIDI to control the FI, I looked at disaster area stuff since it is small...but when I ultimately decided on an ES-8 it was because the ES-8 does everything the disaster area stuff does and then some. I haven't looked deep into the MIDI implementation for the Future Impact, but I gotta think that there is a PC or CC for move up/down a patch. There is a way to directly access your patches so it was a no brainer for me since I use the future impact very deliberately and like to go to specific sounds. I found that clicking through was too error prone (hitting the bank selector instead of patch selector and it is way easy to click passed what you are looking for) so I am making the move to direct patches...and from there you can toggle stuff on or off to taste and easily switch between modes.

I mean, isn't that the point of the Boss ES-5 or 8? One foot stomp that results in several changes so you can switch from a dope FI patch with the MF101 engaged for a sweep to FI and MF101 off but octave and chromatron on with a volume adjustment at the same time with a single foot switch stomp. This upgrade is all about reducing the clicks down to 1...and with the storage space, I can create more patches and combos than I can even dream up.

I think that the DMC idea is unnecessary. I haven't used one so I can't speak to the efficacy of the scroll wheel, but it sounds like trouble, particularly in a live situation for over or under scrolling.