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[fivestringgecko]

Not really needed as you could just send PC messages to jump straight to the patch.

There is at least one new CC command.

Yep. This what I did when I programmed a few ES-5 patches. Worked just fine.

I've done the same thing with my HXFX... I've got a couple patches with the footswitches programmed to go directly to patches. I was just curious, as I was thinking about setting up one patch with footswitches to scroll, turn the FI on/off, etc all within the same patch. But if that new MIDI command is for scrolling patches up then I should be able to do what I'm thinking now that I know about Direct mode.

5sg.

 

[BurningSkies]

I've done the same thing with my HXFX... I've got a couple patches with the footswitches programmed to go directly to patches. I was just curious, as I was thinking about setting up one patch with footswitches to scroll, turn the FI on/off, etc all within the same patch. But if that new MIDI command is for scrolling patches up then I should be able to do what I'm thinking now that I know about Direct mode.

5sg.

Because my ES-5 doesn't have a 'scroll up/scroll down' button set. I ended up getting a DA DMC3-XLgen 3 that does just that. I could also set up a specific bank on my ES that had one patch that only ratchets up, one that ratchets down and one that's on/off, but seemed slicker to just get the DMC, which has been a better reality.

 

[fivestringgecko]

Because my ES-5 doesn't have a 'scroll up/scroll down' button set. I ended up getting a DA DMC3-XLgen 3 that does just that. I could also set up a specific bank on my ES that had one patch that only ratchets up, one that ratchets down and one that's on/off, but seemed slicker to just get the DMC, which has been a better reality.

I've got the HXFX on my main board, so it's tough to justify the additional cost and pedalboard space for a separate dedicated MIDI controller. The HXFX patch I have with footswitches assigned for specific FI patches works great of course, so this new patch would be for scrolling through presets setlist style. One switch assigned for scrolling up, another for down, one for turning the FI on, one for off, etc.

Although, I do think I remember reading that Panda added a MIDI command to toggle state in the last update maybe? Or maybe that's the new MIDI command in the pending update?

5sg.

 

[Quatschmacher]

I was mistaken about the new command; it's a slight alteration of a current one.

I can totally see the case for having a CC for program up. I'll ask Andras about it.

 

[BurningSkies]

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I was mistaken about the new command; it's a slight alteration of a current one.

I can totally see the case for having a CC for program up. I'll ask Andras about it.

I use 66 for on/off and PC for patches. Is this list missing some? Seems odd to have CC 67 as a decrement and not have one as an increment?

 

[fivestringgecko]

I was mistaken about the new command; it's a slight alteration of a current one.

I can totally see the case for having a CC for program up. I'll ask Andras about it.

Thanks for the chart Quatsch. And if that chart is any indication about the look of the manual, it will be MUCH more user friendly... a much needed update. That chart leads my brain to a couple questions, but they're probably answered in the new manual, so I'll wait to ask until that drops.

And thanks for checking on that MIDI command. It's certainly not a deal breaker of course, would just be a nice add!

5sg.

 

[NicJimBass]

I've got the HXFX on my main board, so it's tough to justify the additional cost and pedalboard space for a separate dedicated MIDI controller. The HXFX patch I have with footswitches assigned for specific FI patches works great of course, so this new patch would be for scrolling through presets setlist style. One switch assigned for scrolling up, another for down, one for turning the FI on, one for off, etc.

Although, I do think I remember reading that Panda added a MIDI command to toggle state in the last update maybe? Or maybe that's the new MIDI command in the pending update?

5sg.

The HX would be so close to perfect if they could/would implement sending multiple MIDI messages from a footswitch, simultaneously. The Instant commands are usable, but, the Morningstar MC6 I recently got (because of the HX limitations) has shown me what could be. It wouldn't have to be as customizable as the MC6, but the ability to send one message on press, then another on a 2nd press, or something similar, would be huge. It would be really nice to be able to control MIDI pedals from the HX, as if they were a pedal inside the HX, if that makes sense... turn them on and off, and place them in the signal chain as desired. They got close, but not quite close enough, for my needs. Maybe in time...

 

[Quatschmacher]

Thanks for the chart Quatsch. And if that chart is any indication about the look of the manual, it will be MUCH more user friendly... a much needed update. That chart leads my brain to a couple questions, but they're probably answered in the new manual, so I'll wait to ask until that drops.

And thanks for checking on that MIDI command. It's certainly not a deal breaker of course, would just be a nice add!

5sg.

Thanks. Yes, the chart is wholly in keeping with the new layout I’ve adopted. I’ve made tables for chunks of information such as the above, put screenshots in of the various sections of the editor, rewritten most of the original text and rendered it into clear English. I’ve added an FAQ section which goes through the questions I regularly get asked on basschat. I’m actually quite proud of my work and hope that Andras is happy with it. Mainly I hope that it’ll help musicians get enthusiastic about the pedal and be able to get their heads around how to use it.

 

[Quatschmacher]

That chart leads my brain to a couple questions, but they're probably answered in the new manual, so I'll wait to ask until that drops.

Ask now. It might be good FAQ fodder.

 

[Quatschmacher]

I use 66 for on/off and PC for patches. Is this list missing some? Seems odd to have CC 67 as a decrement and not have one as an increment?

It’s made from the list I was given, though aftertouch ought to be in there too. I’ve asked Andras to check the list and confirm its completeness.

 

[fivestringgecko]

Ask now. It might be good FAQ fodder.

Well, the main one is that I've always been a little fuzzy on what the Filter Cutoff MIDI control does. Is that in relation to the VCF block? And now with the Expression control as "an alternative," I'm not sure what that does either.

5sg.

 

[BurningSkies]

It’s made from the list I was given, though aftertouch ought to be in there too. I’ve asked Andras to check the list and confirm its completeness.

If not, maybe now is a great time to really brainstorm the MIDI functions that a real-world controler user in the pedalboard sense would find useful. Like a PC or CC for tuner access.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Well, the main one is that I've always been a little fuzzy on what the Filter Cutoff MIDI control does. Is that in relation to the VCF block? And now with the Expression control as "an alternative," I'm not sure what that does either.

5sg.

I’m really glad you asked. That is explained in the manual, but I think it could be made clearer. I might include that as an FAQ.

CC11 and 74 both control the filter cutoff using the range set by “VCF” in the global menu. That is selectable between 1, 2 and 4 octaves. What this means is that the pedal can move the cutoff up to 1, 2 or 4 octaves away (in either direction) from the cutoff frequency that is set in the patch. (So accordingly the pedal either has a 2-, 4- or 8-octave sweep.)

The easiest way to explain this is by using the “vintage” filter setting. It has a range of 0-80 and is scaled at 10 units per octave.
Let’s say we set its cutoff at its mid-point of 40 as it makes the example easier.

If you set “VCF” in the global menu to 1 octave then at the point the program loads, the cutoff will still be at 40.

If you move the pedal to the toe-up position, the cutoff will move 1 octave down to 30.

If you move the pedal to the toe-down position, the cutoff will move 1 octave up to 50.

Set “VCF” to 2 in the menu. Now a base cutoff off 40 would be swept between 20 and 60 at toe-up and toe-down respectively. (2 octaves either side.)

Set “VCF” to 4 in the menu. Now a base cutoff of 40 would be swept across the entire range from 0 to 80 at toe-up and toe-down respectively. (4 octaves either side).

If the cutoff is set anywhere else than the centre point then, depending what the global setting is, you might have more adjustment range in one direction compared to the other. E.g. set “VCF” to 4 octaves in the menu and the cutoff to 20. Normally you’d be able to adjust 40 steps on either direction but since there are only 20 steps from 20 to 0, that’s as far as you’ll be able to go in that direction. So the usable range in this case will be 0-60.

Does that make sense?

 

[Quatschmacher]

If not, maybe now is a great time to really brainstorm the MIDI functions that a real-world controler user in the pedalboard sense would find useful. Like a PC or CC for tuner access.

Also a really good point.

PC would never be used for this as PCs are used solely to change the program number. A CC for tuner is a good idea though.

 

[Quatschmacher]

I use 66 for on/off and PC for patches. Is this list missing some? Seems odd to have CC 67 as a decrement and not have one as an increment?

I think you’re right. I just found some notes that show a couple of missing CCs.

 

[BurningSkies]

I think you’re right. I just found some notes that show a couple of missing CCs.

It has that feel. You wouldn't create a CC for Dec. and not Inc. didn't make sense.

 

[Quatschmacher]

It has that feel. You wouldn't create a CC for Dec. and not Inc. didn't make sense.

Erm, actually, that’s exactly what has been done as far as I can tell, nonsensical though it may seem. I think it’s a throwback to the deep impact - didn’t that have a jack socket into which you could plug a pedal to do program down commands or something.

 

[BurningSkies]

Erm, actually, that’s exactly what has been done as far as I can tell, nonsensical though it may seem. I think it’s a throwback to the deep impact - didn’t that have a jack socket into which you could plug a pedal to do program down commands or something.

Time for you to step in and do some upkeep. Lets get this proverbial poop together and organized. Seems like this is a good moment in time to go from cobbled together to organized/thoughtful/planned. Especially with some competition in the bass synth world.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Time for you to step in and do some upkeep. Lets get this proverbial poop together and organized. Seems like this is a good moment in time to go from cobbled together to organized/thoughtful/planned. Especially with some competition in the bass synth world.

I’ve already emailed about it. He’s got a lot on at present though.

I’m sure it was easily overlooked. There are honestly a ton of new features going in and just Andras writing the code.

 

[fivestringgecko]

Does that make sense?

I think so. So the Filter Cutoff MIDI command works in conjunction with modulation frequency cutoff of the VCF, and is controlled by connecting a MIDI expression pedal to sweep the filter?

5sg.