Double Bass G peg winding questions

[foilracer]

Do G strings often wrap all of the silk and some unwrapped playing length onto the peg? Is there an easy way to prevent any unwrapped playing length winding onto the peg? Does winding unwrapped playing length onto the peg damage the G string or change the tone of the string?

 

[AGCurry]

Do G strings often wrap all of the silk and some unwrapped playing length onto the peg?

Yes.

Is there an easy way to prevent any unwrapped playing length winding onto the peg?

No.

Does winding unwrapped playing length onto the peg damage the G string or change the tone of the string?

In my experience, no.

 

[DoubleMIDI]

The only strings I know where this can lead to string breakage are the discontinued Velvet strings (and maybe Genssler) that have a hard tube that fixed a strap to the wound string part. The tube should not wind onto the peg or the tube can push the metal winding edges (from steel with the Compas 180 and Classico) against the core that could be cut by this.
The biggest risk with normal strings is with gut and synthetic core strings (worse with monofiber cores like Dominant). Never a problem with steel core strings.

 

[jazzwalk]

Perhaps you might take away something valuable from what Mr. Jack Hanlon shares here:

 

[foilracer]

Thanks folks for your quick replys. Glad I generally don't need to worry. My concern is with a Zyex medium G. I saw a warning about the Zyex E 3/4 or 4/4 :::to be sure not to wind the naked E onto the peg. It seems the E must fit the bass. If I ever had a problem it was not a steel string....maybe once a Dominant A string broke....I like the Zyex E, A, D but decided on a Spirocore G. Thanks again for good quick answers!

 

[DoubleMIDI]

Perhaps you might take away something valuable from what Mr. Jack Hanlon shares here:

A good video, but I would only take it literally for the closest peg to the nut (E). For me, too many windings away from the tuning handle for the A, because the D will rub against it (and break some silk fibers over time when tuning) as he has done it and there is enough room on the other side to get one and a half windings more there. The angle at the nut is mostly influenced by the distance to the pegs, so more important to the winding structure of the closer pegs, basically no problem for the more distant pegs of the A and D.
If you don‘t cut strings they are better to sell later. Cut strings can get a bit too short for bigger instruments.

 

[Mark_T]

A good video, but I would only take it literally for the closest peg to the nut (E). For me, too many windings away from the tuning handle for the A, because the D will rub against it (and break some silk fibers over time when tuning) as he has done it and there is enough room on the other side to get one and a half windings more there. The angle at the nut is mostly influenced by the distance to the pegs, so more important to the winding structure of the closer pegs, basically no problem for the more distant pegs of the A and D.
If you don‘t cut strings they are better to sell later. Cut strings can get a bit too short for bigger instruments.

if I recall correctly, Upton places the G closest to the nut, so the order from closest to furthest goes G-E-D-A rather than the traditional E-G-A-D. I have settled on not cutting double bass strings, but it does take more care to end up with neat windings with a straight path from peg to nut and without silks rubbing each other. Sometimes it takes me a few tries to get it right and I’ll back off windings and carefully replace them if I get it wrong (minding the bridge all the while especially as the string comes up to tension).

 

[foilracer]

Thanks folks for your quick replys. Glad I generally don't need to worry. My concern is with a Zyex medium G. I saw a warning about the Zyex E 3/4 or 4/4 :::to be sure not to wind the naked E onto the peg. It seems the E must fit the bass. If I ever had a problem it was not a steel string....maybe once a Dominant A string broke....I like the Zyex E, A, D but decided on a Spirocore G. Thanks again for good quick answers!

I decided on all 4 Zyex strings. The g string does wind bare string onto the peg. If there is ever a breakage problem at the nut/peg I'll update here. My hunch is that the g string will be fine and I won't have a problem. Thanks for your comments!