Gaining weight?

[Aaron Saunders]

Poops, I'm not going to argue with this one. I freely admit my experience with and understanding of exercise and nutrition isn't as deep as yours. I stand by my original opinion that light lifting might be a fun thing to get into, but significant changes in body mass through exercise should wait until later in puberty. As well, I still believe a variety of ab exercises are necessary to fully develop the area, because I've found for myself that crunches simply do not develop the full range of the muscle.

My only real issue is that clearly the original poster does not already go to a gym or know someone who does, otherwise he'd be asking that person and not us. Consequently, this concerns me as to how he's supposed to find out the proper form, so advising what can be complicated exercises to perform initially (squats and deadlifts) might end up in him researching the form online, misinterpreting something, and consequently screwing things up. IMO, more complicated exercises such as that should wait until you're more experienced in the gym and have someone who really knows what they're doing to go through the full exercise with you.

 

[Poop-Loops]

Poops, I'm not going to argue with this one. I freely admit my experience with and understanding of exercise and nutrition isn't as deep as yours. I stand by my original opinion that light lifting might be a fun thing to get into, but significant changes in body mass through exercise should wait until later in puberty. As well, I still believe a variety of ab exercises are necessary to fully develop the area, because I've found for myself that crunches simply do not develop the full range of the muscle.

Because like it's been said, crunches and ab exercises are very horrible. Just, bad. You don't ever crunch in real life. Ever. At least I can't remember the last time I did (well, I do in BJJ, but he probably doesn't do that). Squats, deadlifts, overhead presses, and even pull ups will work the core far better because they actually use it for what it was designed for.

My only real issue is that clearly the original poster does not already go to a gym or know someone who does, otherwise he'd be asking that person and not us. Consequently, this concerns me as to how he's supposed to find out the proper form, so advising what can be complicated exercises to perform initially (squats and deadlifts) might end up in him researching the form online, misinterpreting something, and consequently screwing things up. IMO, more complicated exercises such as that should wait until you're more experienced in the gym and have someone who really knows what they're doing to go through the full exercise with you.

I pretty much learned online. Yeah, there is some (a lot) of mixed info online, but that's why you take a broom stick and practice with it for a few hours so you get the form down, then you put on just an empty bar and do the same.

Here are some good resources for the deadlift and squat:

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(4 pages on how to do a squat there, read them all)

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[69nites]

What are the dangers of starting to lift weights at the age of 14?

This ought to be good. I'm expecting "cataracts, bone cancer, mental retardation, diarrhea, suicidal tendencies, complete immune system failure, horrible rash, and hearing loss."

How close was I?

The dangers would be tearing muscles, ligaments, tendons.
all of the above are not yet fully developed and are easily torn.
BTW when you tear any of those while say doing a bench press expect to DIE seriously I've seen guys in the Emergency room because they worked out without a spotter.

and a big one is a hernia you are prone to them with heavy lifting at 14

cardio is fine. Lifting your own weight is fine. Lifting weights is bad

At 14 it is healthy enough to do medicine ball workouts as well tho.

BTW this is a link from my HS cardio class
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he gives some good links and is also a professional trainer (he was my boxing trainer for a time)
If you would like to consider the source he's a little under 6 foot around 250LBS and has a body fat index of less than 10%

 

[invader3k]

I would think trying to actively add weight at 14 years of age, other than regular moderate excercise, would be a great way to develop some kind of eating disorder.

 

[Der Bluten Kat]

i have the same problem... ive been 5'10 130lbs for 5 years (since age 13) and i drink protein shakes everyday and do construction for a living and i cant gain an ounce... its just genetics man... at least you're not the other way around

 

[I am Domokun]

Also, as far as supplements go, just don't use them yet. If you MUST, look up Creatine and NO2, but if you see anything with a testosterone booster, pass it right by. Puberty + hormone supplements = baaaaaaad idea.

That creatine's supposed to screw your kidneys up something awful.

 

[Poop-Loops]

cardio is fine. Lifting your own weight is fine. Lifting weights is bad

At 14 it is healthy enough to do medicine ball workouts as well tho.

That is complete BS. Medicine ball work outs are PLYOMETRIC. They are harder than any weight lifting. I'd expect more injuries from that than lifting.

If you do the lifts correctly and don't tack on more weight than you can handle, there is nothing that can go wrong.

i have the same problem... ive been 5'10 130lbs for 5 years (since age 13) and i drink protein shakes everyday and do construction for a living and i cant gain an ounce... its just genetics man... at least you're not the other way around

It's not genetics. I don't know what you do for construction, but if it's the same thing day in day out, then it would make sense that you don't gain muscle. You have to keep progressing the weight higher. If you just do the same thing every day then your body gets used to it and that's it.

Also, protein shakes aren't miracle drinks. They won't magically make you gain muscle. It's just protein. You just need to eat more, period. Healthy food, of course.

That creatine's supposed to screw your kidneys up something awful.

Another myth. If you take the normal doses, you'll be fine. People do it all the time. Just remember that you have to cycle it and don't take 10x the dosage.

 

[69nites]

That is complete BS. Medicine ball work outs are PLYOMETRIC. They are harder than any weight lifting. I'd expect more injuries from that than lifting.

It's hard in a differant way

endurance training is fine
Building exorcises will damage your muscles

I'm not telling him to grab a 15 Lbs medicine ball here either

5-7 Lbs medicine ball is a common exorcise for Gymnastics at his age guy....

BTW I was considering a career in sports medicine I'm pretty well educated on the subject

 

[69nites]

It's not genetics. I don't know what you do for construction, but if it's the same thing day in day out, then it would make sense that you don't gain muscle. You have to keep progressing the weight higher. If you just do the same thing every day then your body gets used to it and that's it.

Also, protein shakes aren't miracle drinks. They won't magically make you gain muscle. It's just protein. You just need to eat more, period. Healthy food, of course.

actually it is related

Genetics are directly related to how much testosterone is produced in your body

low testosterone means building muscle will be MUCH harder

 

[Poop-Loops]

Genetics isn't an excuse, though. Nor is it hardly ever the main factor.

How does building muscle damage it?

 

[69nites]

Genetics isn't an excuse, though. Nor is it hardly ever the main factor.

How does building muscle damage it?

When you're that young your body isn't yet producing enough testosterone to substantially build any muscle. All building exercises will do is strain/damage your muscles not make them stronger till you hit the muscle blowup part of puberty.

If you don't hit that point where your muscles start to grow naturally you can start supplementing what your body isn't producing around 17-19 years old depending how long it takes for you to fully develop.

 

[d8g3jdh]

What are the dangers of starting to lift weights at the age of 14?

This ought to be good. I'm expecting "cataracts, bone cancer, mental retardation, diarrhea, suicidal tendencies, complete immune system failure, horrible rash, and hearing loss."

How close was I?

death.

 

[Poop-Loops]

When you're that young your body isn't yet producing enough testosterone to substantially build any muscle. All building exercises will do is strain/damage your muscles not make them stronger till you hit the muscle blowup part of puberty.

If you don't hit that point where your muscles start to grow naturally you can start supplementing what your body isn't producing around 17-19 years old depending how long it takes for you to fully develop.

So women shouldn't lift weights at all?

You know, even if he can't gain weight, he can get stronger. I can't imagine his muscles tearing apart when he's just lifting weights.

 

[69nites]

So women shouldn't lift weights at all?

You know, even if he can't gain weight, he can get stronger. I can't imagine his muscles tearing apart when he's just lifting weights.

women's hormones are completely different than guys

very bad example

Also women should work out different than men

Recommended max weight for a man to work with on a daily basis is 85% of his max. Women without supplements (that's right testosterone) shouldn't work with more than 70%.

there's a big reason men are bigger than women

If you look at the link I posted above from my HS cardio class it clearly states that women and men should work out differently and the results will be different

BTW strengthening the muscle you have is toning not building. the best toning exercises are using your body weight

 

[Poop-Loops]

women's hormones are completely different than guys

very bad example

Also women should work out different than men

Recommended max weight for a man to work with on a daily basis is 85% of his max. Women without supplements (that's right testosterone) shouldn't work with more than 70%.

there's a big reason men are bigger than women

If you look at the link I posted above from my HS cardio class it clearly states that women and men should work out differently and the results will be different

BTW strengthening the muscle you have is toning not building. the best toning exercises are using your body weight

Thank you, you have just voided your right to post on this thread. What you have said is BS. High school website? Get that garbage out of here.

www.stumptuous.com

Go tell her she shouldn't be working out like that. I dare you.

Toning? LOL

Thanks, really. That was funny.

Hint: toning doesn't exist. All "toned" muscles are is a low body fat percentage.

 

[Poop-Loops]

Here you go, one of the most respected websites on the internet in fitness and weight lifting:

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It's basically low body fat %. You have lots of muscle, and not a lot of fat, and you are toned. That's it. There is no magic exercise for it.

"Considering a career" isn't worth anything.

One more:

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Meh, another:

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This is fun!

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[69nites]

Thank you, you have just voided your right to post on this thread. What you have said is BS. High school website? Get that garbage out of here.

www.stumptuous.com

Go tell her she shouldn't be working out like that. I dare you.

Toning? LOL

Thanks, really. That was funny.

Hint: toning doesn't exist. All "toned" muscles are is a low body fat percentage.

BTW that's a collage credit class....

everything on that site is directly from a textbook

he posted it for student convenience

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See how her knees are below her hips? that's improper technique and is destructive to your knees.

you know everyone thought Dr. Atkins was onto something and was right about his diet being Heart healthy until he died of Heart related causes.

also she is a heavy feminist and seems to have political agenda here as well

EDIT: in addition her figure supports MY claims that without the presence of testosterone you can not build to be much bigger. Even with a huge amount of lifting she's quite a bit smaller than say me who (admittedly) works out much less than her

 

[69nites]

Here you go, one of the most respected websites on the internet in fitness and weight lifting:

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It's basically low body fat %. You have lots of muscle, and not a lot of fat, and you are toned. That's it. There is no magic exercise for it.

"Considering a career" isn't worth anything.

One more:

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Meh, another:

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This is fun!

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about as good as googling something and taking the top 4 results and posting them?

Toning (removing fat) will make you stronger because you have less weight IN YOUR BODY so you can lift that much more EXTERNAL weight.

none of your links support you in that it is healthy for a 14 year old to do body building exercises. this is most likely because google didn't come up with any for you :shrugs:

BTW what I mean by "considering" is taking classes to educate myself on the subject in community collage.

EDIT: also the first link supports you not knowing what you're talking about being you stated "genetics aren't an excuse" and previous to that "genetics don't make a difference." the first link clearly states that genetics prevent 20% of people from getting bigger

 

[MAJOR METAL]

Just go out to dinner with me !

 

[Poop-Loops]

Lol, I think I'll just stick with "you don't know what you are talking about". College credit in a high school class? Oh noes! Guess what? I took a year of calculus in high school. It translated to ONE QUARTER of calculus in college. HS is BS.

Text book schmextbook. When was it published?

Destructive to knees my ass. The parallel legs to the ground thing is another myth.

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