Gaining weight?

[Poop-Loops]

about as good as googling something and taking the top 4 results and posting them?

Toning (removing fat) will make you stronger because you have less weight IN YOUR BODY so you can lift that much more EXTERNAL weight.

Umm what? Having less body fat will let me lift more external weight? No. Having less body fat will let me lift myself easier. The external weight stays the same, buddy.

But humor me. Give me articles that say that toning is achievable through strength training, whereas it's not with bodybuilding. Come on. You can do it, can't you? I mean, it's just a google...

none of your links support you in that it is healthy for a 14 year old to do body building exercises. this is most likely because google didn't come up with any for you :shrugs:

Maybe it's because I searched for "toning" and not "hey, should a 14 year old lift weights???"

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbinfo.php?page=TeenTraining

Maybe not fourteen, but close enough. Besides, he can always go lighter.

BTW what I mean by "considering" is taking classes to educate myself on the subject in community collage.

Now I really find no reason to listen to you.

 

[MJ5150]

You two need to quit. No one is impressed with either of you two's cut and paste abilities.

-Mike

 

[69nites]

well If you had you'd have found this
http://www.kidshealth.org/teen/food_fitness/exercise/strength_training.html

telling you exactly what I told you

You're not going to find anything supporting early teens strength training

All the other posts you're making are debated by physical therapists, doctors, and body builders throughout the world.

as far as the squat thing goes you want to debate it I'll upload a scan of my MRI showing my Meniscal tear which happened DURING a squat going with my hips below my knees.

as far as the theory behind toning can make you lift more. I'm deadlifting. I am not only lifting the weight I'm holding I'm also lifting my body weight. If my body weight goes down but my muscle mass stays the same I will be able to put more weight on the bar and will be lifting more.

 

[Joe Nerve]

Something is terribly wrong here. I'm finding myself in agreement with pooploops.

Just want to add my experience and thoughts. I worked out like an IDIOT when in my early teens. Did everything you could possibly imagine, WRONG, and guess what - I'm fine, and in excellent shape several decades later. Didn't snap my back, stunt my growth, or do anything horrible to myself - so sorry, but my experience is that a 14 year old CAN in fact work out without causing serious or permanant damage.

My experience also is that at 14 I couldn't put weight on no matter what I did. I ate all freakin day, drank thickshakes filled with all the powders of that time - and got nada.

My suggestion to the original poster would be to stay away from any serious supplements and get only the protein powders and weight gain things. They make em a lot better than when I was doing it back then, so it might actually add a few pounds. I'd also do everything I could to learn as much as I could about body building - and find what works best for you. An awesome thing about starting at your age is that you can start to develop great habits that can last you a life time. I'll rant a little more on that...

It's called weight training. I've heard people say because that's what they do, they train, to do it better and better, work on their form, and learn as much as they can about body building. A lot of my time was wasted as a kid because I was more interested in lifting what I couldn't, than listeneing to what people who knew more were trying to tell me. I've made waay more progress once I started to use weight that was managable, even weight that I could EASILY handle, and practice concentrating on form. If I throw 200 lbs on a bench, I'm gonna use my back, shoulders, chest, arms and god knows what else to get it up. If I throw 50 on the bar I can completely concentrate on my chest doing the work, I can flex when its extended, and I can slowly let it back down with perfect form. I've made waaay more progress doing that - than pushing lots of weight.

Blah, blah, blah... read, learn, ask questions, use common sense, stay open minded and find what works best.

One last note - skinny guys get beat up a lot, but the chics seem to like em more. It's a trade-off.

 

[ihateusernames]

My, my - so much blatant misinformation being spread here. It’s not worth anyone’s time to pick this thread apart and I can’t resist posting again for two infuriating reasons.

1) There’s an evolving debate raging about specifics that can’t be inferred from the kid’s question. Knees above or below parallel (increased risk for knee damage)???? Women working out (no problem really) ??? Different body structures response to various methods of training (proven time and time again…different body structures are simply unable to achieve certain things without serious, aggressive, focused, properly applied, harmful, life threatening and radical measures….at what cost?)????? How does any of this have a place in this kids thread? HE ASKED A VAGUE QUESTION ABOUT GAINING WEIGHT, UNSUPPORTED WITH A REASON TO DO SO.
2) Completely FALSE information being spread by people with admittedly no business dispensing health and wellness information OR by confrontation seeking, angry ‘young adults’ with very, very little real world experience or education to support unfounded advice. I urge anyone following this thread to consider you are reading a debate on physical training on a bass guitar forum and self professed experts seldom amount to more than biased uneducated imbeciles. Yes, you can be a self professed expert simply by cutting down others with absolute statements, especially when claiming your opinions are the definitive end all. I’ve yet to see a true expert with sound principles chime in. Some formal education doesn’t count as an expert. Reading thousands of forum posts on sites with admitted previous and current users of illegal athletic enhancing compounds, also doesn’t count. Same goes for articles by founders of websites and magazines notorious for promoting borderline compounds or flat out illegal compounds. Reading the big budget magazines with the sole mission of making profit however possible….doesn’t count. Spending a few years of trial and error in the gym…again, doesn’t count. Talking to the local gym stud legend who usually amounts to no more than good ol Buck Tooth Joe from <insert town name of choice> seriously doesn’t count. Certified trainers….gonna hurt some feelings here…still doesn’t count, however it CAN lead you to better information than is being thrown around here. When in doubt, err on the side of caution. A large majority of what is being said as right or wrong has yet to be substantiated by quality peer reviewed unbiased research. Doesn’t mean something is right, doesn’t mean something is wrong. Some things however make more sense than others when you understand the biomechanics of the human body along with the cellular make up of tissues and physiology surrounding the interaction of those tissues. The next source of information would be subject specific textbooks from peer respected authors in the scientific world. Magazines and websites just don’t make the grade here.

It frustrates me when young impressionable minds are being exposed to information that is just flat wrong and potentially harmful to their health. You can tell people what bass/amp/cable/cabs/speakers/pickups etc are the absolute right or wrong thing for them all day long and I’ll never bat an eye. When you pass misinformation on subjects you don’t know inside and out, and that information has the capability of inflicting serious harm to developing children YOU have voided your right to post on a thread.

There has been some decent advice for physically mature, experienced weight lifters on this thread. By all means share your routines with each other and debate the merits of this vs. that….knock yourselves out. Don’t tell a 14 y/o kid you’ve never met and know very little about to look at some pictures on a website and go figure it out.

This has nothing to do with me, nothing to do with any individual. This is a subject I have a bit of experience with and the nonsense being provided is getting to me, I’d say mostly because of the delivery.

 

[Poop-Loops]

My suggestion to the original poster would be to stay away from any serious supplements and get only the protein powders and weight gain things.

Protein powder is good, weight gainers are crap. They are usually just loaded with sugar to give more calories. Eat healthy food, instead.

You really shouldn't need suppliments like creatine and stuff until you get fairly advanced. I've never used them. I'm still getting gains without them.

I think the main misconception here is that when people think of "weight lifting", they imagine this:

Seriously, the kid won't train like these guys. Most people would get hurt if they tried to train like those guys. Those guys get injured training like those guys. Using common sense and not having an ego telling you to go higher goes really far in preventing injury.

 

[Indiana Mike]

I think bassist 4 life should be patient, at his age and until my middle 20's I was a rail.

Now I wish I was to a point. I work very hard(Physically) walk , exercise and have a hard time keeping it off .

It will come , maybe , if he just keeps eating more calories than he burns , exercises and has some patience.

I do know that beer helps but wouldn't recommend it at his age.



He could move to the USA and start eating all the crap that is offered here . I am sure it would fatten him right up.

 

[El-Bob]

I DRINK A DOUBLE-LITRE OF COKE EVERY DAY & I EAT PIZZARONIS ALL THE TIME, & I HAVE ONE HELL OF A NICE GUT!

 

[El-Bob]

Uh, you're FOURTEEN. Don't do anything. Do not lift weights, or **** with your diet, because you can screw yourself up for a LONG time. Your body has recently launched itself in what will physically be one of the most transitional periods in your entire life -- think about it like shoving a stick into the wheel of a bicycle.

Bad idea. Wait until you're 16/17 or so.

EDIT: Actually, I need to reiterate. It's not that you shouldn't be active or look to make yourself in better shape at all, but dramatic changes in size by changing your diet and constantly breaking your balls lifting is not a good idea. Lift a couple times a week, but don't go too crazy. Keep that 5-6 day a week stuff for a couple years from now. My friend used to be 110lbs, but with (an absurd amount of) exercise, specialized eating, and one too many supplements, he was up to 170 at one point of just muscle. The gain still would've been significant (probably up to 150 or 155) without supplements.

Also, as far as supplements go, just don't use them yet. If you MUST, look up Creatine and NO2, but if you see anything with a testosterone booster, pass it right by. Puberty + hormone supplements = baaaaaaad idea.

OH!, & FOR THE SAKE OF HUMANITY LISTEN TO AARON!!!

 

[bassist 4 life]

I have a feeling this thread will turn into a fight like my other thread, and will eventually get locked, lol...

Anyways, I'm just trying to be in good shape and look good, a lot of my friends exercise, and they're in pretty good shape now, nothing is wrong with them.

By lifting, i meant dumbell curls. I'm not taking any crazy super drink that is supposed to make me gain weight too. By excercising, I mean push ups,set ups, pull ups, you know...

 

[Baryonyx]

I think at 14 you should concentrate on school and having fun. Exercise is great, but like it has been said, you'll never get results like Dorian Yates or Ronnie Coleman.

 

[Poop-Loops]

I have a feeling this thread will turn into a fight like my other thread, and will eventually get locked, lol...

Anyways, I'm just trying to be in good shape and look good, a lot of my friends exercise, and they're in pretty good shape now, nothing is wrong with them.

By lifting, i meant dumbell curls. I'm not taking any crazy super drink that is supposed to make me gain weight too. By excercising, I mean push ups,set ups, pull ups, you know...

You can do body weight exercises all you want. That means things like sit ups, squats, pull ups, push ups, dips, etc. Those are fine.

And lifting is fine too, providing you learn how to do everything correctly (very important) and don't over do the weight. That's basically it.

I mean, this whole notion of weights being harmful is ridiculous. I was so weak that I could not do a single dip or pull up. Does that mean that bench pressing less than my body weight or using the lat pull down at less than my body weight would have given me Anthrax? That's ludicrous. You get injured by doing too much, so just stay on the safe side and only do like 70% of your 1 rep max.