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[AudioTaper]

Ya I've had a 412 before , with a 700RB-II , 2001Rb-II , Fusion 550 , MB500 , MBF500 , Backline 600 , and 1001RB.
Its a stellar cab! , and actually a bit more punchy than 2-212's ( probably because of the coupling factor ) , and its My favorite cab of GK's , I would like to get another with a Fusion 800 and 700-RB-II sittin on top

Dang, everytime I start thinking I don't need a 412 Neo and a big head, I read something like this...

Do you think the 1001RB-II or the 700RB-II did better with the 412? I was starting to think the Legacy 800 would be better, but I already have a good Class D head (Mesa TT-800) so now I think I need a big RB.

Also, welcome to Talkbass

 

[GKid]

Dang, everytime I start thinking I don't need a 412 Neo and a big head, I read something like this...

Do you think the 1001RB-II or the 700RB-II did better with the 412? I was starting to think the Legacy 800 would be better, but I already have a good Class D head (Mesa TT-800) so now I think I need a big RB.

Also, welcome to Talkbass

THanks for the Welcome!

well I play heavy rock , Punk , Funk , Pop n Metal , so YMMV ... but ... I play using fingers, picks, slap , etc.

A 700RB + Neo 412 is my favorite GK rig. ( pictured there in my profile photo)

I like to push the power section of the RB's pretty hard, and the one I found to do that well , and not gas out ( had enough headroom) was the 700rb-II , to me that one is the sweet spot of the RB's . I liked the 1001rb , but it seemed a bit less warm than the 700 ,but the difference was subtle. If you want more pure clean tone, then get the 1001, but if you want more grunt, grind and angry quack, thats easy to get by pushing the lower watt RB's hard.

The class D Gk's match the tone print of the RB's , but there is something slightly different in the feel to me.
and I had to get the MB800 before I felt something close , the MB500 doesn't get quite there , the snarl is a bit different.
The feel of the Class D's is just a bit smoother , compared to the more aggressive delivery of the RB's , there's more of a "shaking" with the note delivery of an RB, which is why I want to get a Fusion 800s and a 700RB-II , because then I can use the pre on the Fusion , and the Power section of the RB, and of course have a backup power section ready if needed.
in comparison ,The Fusion 550 is an awesome amp , there's just a certain heft in the tone that can't be taken out ,
It was the least sounding GK amp out of all of them that I've tried , but still a super awesome tone, plus I had 2 and had issues with both , so I reverted back to a 700rb. I always wondered why Bob never just made a simple RB amp with that tube pre in the front , minus the robot knobs.
If GK came out with a 700RBF , I would risk pissing off my wife to buy that one ;-)

 

[thedovewarlord]

Dang, everytime I start thinking I don't need a 412 Neo and a big head, I read something like this...
Do you think the 1001RB-II or the 700RB-II did better with the 412? I was starting to think the Legacy 800 would be better, but I already have a good Class D head (Mesa TT-800) so now I think I need a big RB.
Also, welcome to Talkbass

Similar to what @GKid said here:

well I play heavy rock , Punk , Funk , Pop n Metal , so YMMV ... but ... I play using fingers, picks, slap , etc.

A 700RB + Neo 412 is my favorite GK rig. ( pictured there in my profile photo)

I love my 700RBII through my Aguilar DB412. It sounds amazing and covers so much ground (styles) through the 412. Though I haven't plugged into a cabinets & configurations where it didn't sound good, (i.e., Seismic 115+210, SWR 410, Aguilar DB410, SWR 2x410, AMPEG SVT 810, etc) in my opinion, the DB412 is the optimum & ultimate pairing. On its own merits, the DB412 is beautiful sounding cabinet, I recently added Aguilar DB751 amp, so I have best of both worlds. They are discontinued, but you can find them used here and there. Besides the sound quality, I personally like the layout of the 412 vs the 410, the 412 is taller and similar to an 810 where there are drivers at you ear level vs delivering 80% of the stage volume at your legs.

 

[PeaveyPlayer]

Dang, everytime I start thinking I don't need a 412 Neo and a big head, I read something like this...

Do you think the 1001RB-II or the 700RB-II did better with the 412? I was starting to think the Legacy 800 would be better, but I already have a good Class D head (Mesa TT-800) so now I think I need a big RB.

Also, welcome to Talkbass

My dads buddy used a 2001rb with the 412
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I had the 1001rb too briefly. And he gave me his old 2001rb

it just depends on the sound your after but the 2001 to me had more heft and just overall booty and BIGGG
the 1001 was more tight sounding to me

Here's the 2001rb

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[GKid]

Similar to what @GKid said here:

I love my 700RBII through my Aguilar DB412. It sounds amazing and covers so much ground (styles) through the 412. Though I haven't plugged into a cabinets & configurations where it didn't sound good, (i.e., Seismic 115+210, SWR 410, Aguilar DB410, SWR 2x410, AMPEG SVT 810, etc) in my opinion, the DB412 is the optimum & ultimate pairing. On its own merits, the DB412 is beautiful sounding cabinet, I recently added Aguilar DB751 amp, so I have best of both worlds. They are discontinued, but you can find them used here and there. Besides the sound quality, I personally like the layout of the 412 vs the 410, the 412 is taller and similar to an 810 where there are drivers at you ear level vs delivering 80% of the stage volume at your legs.

I agree , a 2x12 or 412 is such an ideal cabinet for bass.
I use a lot of distortion/overdrive and the 12's sound the best with that ( maybe why guitar players prefer 12's too !?! )

I have heard so many great things about the DB412 .... I will have to find one to try .

 

[Marko 1]

I have heard so many great things about the DB412 .... I will have to find one to try .

I'm sure they're awesome...

and only 184 pounds.

 

[PeaveyPlayer]

I use one of these
Traynor - 900 Watt 4x12 Neodymium Woofer Bass Cabinet

 

[thedovewarlord]

I agree , a 2x12 or 412 is such an ideal cabinet for bass.
I use a lot of distortion/overdrive and the 12's sound the best with that ( maybe why guitar players prefer 12's too !?! )
I have heard so many great things about the DB412 .... I will have to find one to try .

Before buying the DB412 I had zero experience with 12's and was beyond pleased, exceeding my expectations and sounded exactly what I always wanted, a full rich blanketing sound but incredible response and detail in all my band's dynamics. Before I bought the DB410, I was scouring left and right for a used DB212 but didn't get lucky. The 410 is a great cabinet. Big fan of Aguilar here, worth the price & weight.

I'm sure they're awesome...

and only 184 pounds.

Yeah they are heavy, but I've never needed to lift it off the ground. It has the tilt-back w/built-in wheels. It's actually easier to move and get into the tailgate of our wagon than my DB410 which is deadlift city.

 

[thedovewarlord]

I've posted this before, but this is a photo of my rig a few years ago when I first got the cab, the GK 700RBII proudly atop.

 

[GKid]

I use one of these
Traynor - 900 Watt 4x12 Neodymium Woofer Bass Cabinet

Those clips you posted sound great !...makes me miss my 2001 ... that amp was unforgiving. a 2001 and a 74 SVT are the most beast amps I've ever played .

Before buying the DB412 I had zero experience with 12's and was beyond pleased, exceeding my expectations and sounded exactly what I always wanted, a full rich blanketing sound but incredible response and detail in all my band's dynamics. Before I bought the DB410, I was scouring left and right for a used DB212 but didn't get lucky. The 410 is a great cabinet. Big fan of Aguilar here, worth the price & weight.


Yeah they are heavy, but I've never needed to lift it off the ground. It has the tilt-back w/built-in wheels. It's actually easier to move and get into the tailgate of our wagon than my DB410 which is deadlift city.

I have used a DB410 , it was nice and tight and creamy , i imagine the 412 is in that ballpark.
And ya, I got rid of my 410RBH's for that reason , super awesome sounding cabs, I love the tilt back feature ... but "deadlift city" is a spot on analogy. I would rather have the dolly style, bigger cab for sure .

 

[_Obra_]

A question
If a Trim pot on Legacy head needs to be dimed at maximum in order to achieve the best tone (and it is at maximum with my passive P bass), how can I control output D.I. level? With Trim at maximum, output is ultra loud for any FOX or audio interface.

 

[TomB]

A question
If a Trim pot on Legacy head needs to be dimed at maximum in order to achieve the best tone (and it is at maximum with my passive P bass), how can I control output D.I. level? With Trim at maximum, output is ultra loud for any FOX or audio interface.

I'm pretty sure the DI output is independent of (prior to) the gain setting, and dependent only on your bass' output. Though GK recommends diming the gain control, I know many players who find lower settings satisfactory, lowering noise, and allowing more adjustment room at the master volume. I tend to set it at about 1:00, personally.

 

[_Obra_]

I'm pretty sure the DI output is independent of (prior to) the gain setting, and dependent only on your bass' output. Though GK recommends diming the gain control, I know many players who find lower settings satisfactory, lowering noise, and allowing more adjustment room at the master volume. I tend to set it at about 1:00, personally.

DI output depends only on bass output if it is set to Pre EQ. With Post EQ out it depends of Trim

 

[TomB]

DI output depends only on bass output if it is set to Pre EQ. With Post EQ out it depends of Trim

Yes. I only ever send Pre to the house, so I got nothin' .

 

[groovaholic]

I'm sure they're awesome...

and only 184 pounds.

It's crazy that the DB412s weigh that much.
I used to own an Aguilar GS412, and it was no lightweight (116 Lbs) but it was manageable for a tilt+roll cab.

 

[PeaveyPlayer]

Those clips you posted sound great !...makes me miss my 2001 ... that amp was unforgiving. a 2001 and a 74 SVT are the most beast amps I've ever played .




I have used a DB410 , it was nice and tight and creamy , i imagine the 412 is in that ballpark.
And ya, I got rid of my 410RBH's for that reason , super awesome sounding cabs, I love the tilt back feature ... but "deadlift city" is a spot on analogy. I would rather have the dolly style, bigger cab for sure .

Agreed…. The 2001 was a beast… but tone chasing is forever. Sometimes you'll have multiple of Your best tone and not a favourite and that's what the problem was for me

 

[thedovewarlord]

It's crazy that the DB412s weigh that much.
I used to own an Aguilar GS412, and it was no lightweight (116 Lbs) but it was manageable for a tilt+roll cab.

The DB412 is ~150lbs but similar to that GS412 the tiltback & rollers make it pretty easy to move. Like I said, I haven't ever needed to lift it up off the ground, if I had to, I call a few buddies haaaa.... Getting in & out my vehicle or up/down some steps is not straining and a single person job. A 410 is lighter, but even with casters, you need to lift it up and that's less convenient IMO.

 

[Geddyfleaharris]

Agreed…. The 2001 was a beast… but tone chasing is forever. Sometimes you'll have multiple of Your best tone and not a favourite and that's what the problem was for me

Best tones are like girlfriends. Ya, there might be a better one out there but sometimes ya just gotta commit!

P.S. I loved my 2001. I ran it with an insanely big rig for a local bar band. 2 x 410 and 2 x 115. Those days are behind me now. haha

 

[TonyP-]

A question
If a Trim pot on Legacy head needs to be dimed at maximum in order to achieve the best tone (and it is at maximum with my passive P bass), how can I control output D.I. level? With Trim at maximum, output is ultra loud for any FOX or audio interface.

Honesty, IMHO you do need to dime to the trim pot to get back it off to a manageable volume.
You should be fine.

 

[groovaholic]

A question
If a Trim pot on Legacy head needs to be dimed at maximum in order to achieve the best tone (and it is at maximum with my passive P bass), how can I control output D.I. level?

"Need" is a strong word...

I think GK phrased it like that when the amps launched to let people know it was 100% OK to dime that control as part of normal usage.

But even though my main bass has passive pickups, I could hear the front end of the amp clipping before the LED lit up.

My guess is that the Clip LED indicates when the voltage coming out of the preamp is too hot for the next section of the amp. But that wouldn't necessarily mean that the amp sounds its best with the level that hot.

For me, it definitely sounds better with the trim pulled back -- typically around 10-11 o'clock.
Cooling off that first stage also made it possible for me to get a usable tone out of the overdrive circuit; some edge, but still really punchy.
With the trim up all the way, the overdrive channel was losing that killer GK attack on the front end of each note.