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GENZ BENZ Focus Cabs - New and Lightweight

Being a long time neoX 212 user I would love to know how 2 x Focus 115 vs 2 x neoX 112 or neoX 212 compare. Not so much as in the raw spec sheets but real world application, ie: soloed head to head & in a band setting.

I think this is best answered from folks who will actually be out there gigging with these specific configurations. Too subjective for me to quantify respectably.
 
That could very well be. I currently own 3 (non GB) cabs with neos though I like them but at louder volumes they seem to react a bit different than the ceramics I've owned. I heard a friend of mines Glock Quatro with ceramics a few months ago and I thought is sounded fantastic, seemed a bit warmer at high volume but I admit it could be the cab design more than the speakers. Anyway that's what piqued my interested in the Focus line.

There are some voicing things that we can do more easily with the neo magnetic circiuit that we would have to give up more of with ceramic motors. It's a trade-off and balancing act between a whole handful of variables. There's no reason why we couldn't get very,m very close with the two voicings, but slightly more modern sound is where we see a significant part of the market looking to in the future.
 
There are some voicing things that we can do more easily with the neo magnetic circiuit that we would have to give up more of with ceramic motors. It's a trade-off and balancing act between a whole handful of variables. There's no reason why we couldn't get very,m very close with the two voicings, but slightly more modern sound is where we see a significant part of the market looking to in the future.

I think one of the reasons the GB cabs compare so favorably to so many other cabinets out on the mass market format-to-format is the fact that there is actual engineering happening in the design of the cabs.

Many manufacturers start their design process by locating or spec'ing out the cheapest off-the-shelf drivers they can find, throw 2 or 4 like-size ones into a plywood box along with a Dayton Audio 50W tweeter and cheap coil xover, cut a large round hole in it somewhere (not a tubular port with flanged ends as would be proper) and VIOLA!! Bass Enclosure.

Many more make things even worse by giving the design process a half-hearted attempt at port tuning. They again start with the most economical drivers, bear in mind shipping costs associated with maximum dimensions.... and use the T/S parameters published by the Driver Manufacturer to try and design a cabinet that goes low and performs well at volume.... but skip all the little necessaries like proper bracing, insulation, heavy-gauge wire, a decent xover etc.... and they end up with a cab that would have sounded better if they left well enough alone. Recently, the trend amongst the bigger companies is to use this design philosophy, but employ Eminence or B&C drivers.... mostly for marketing purposes and being able to say "EMINENCE".... as if having a quality driver can compensate for poor design.... which it cant.

Bergantino Audio is probably the most highly lauded bass speaker enclosure on TB... and amongst pretty much anyone who has any basis for comparison. The owner / designer isn't even a bass player. He's an engineer. There's no magic formula as to why his cabinets are so good. All the applicable science in this field is better than 30 years old. He simply follows the engineering science to the absolute letter, sparing no expense, using only the absolute highest quality materials.

Having tried pretty much every enclosure available (with the notable exception of Barefaced, LoPhat and AudioKinesis)... I find the Genz Benz cabs to be the closest thing to the Bergantino's available in the mass market. The Bergs are built a little tougher, and have better tweeters... but the GB cabs come damn close.....And I absolutely love them.
 
svtb15 said:
26th of this month i am in Tulsa area.. then on the 4th of March thru the 8th im in NY... Houston on the 10th. We will eventually meet up.. really looking forward to it..

I wasn't actually addressing you, Kirk! I typed my response to someone else before I saw your post...sorry for any confusion!
 
Damn.. My Ego got in the way again..sorry... i thought it was all about me...:D:D

We do have to meet up though.... Hopefully this summer sometime!


I wasn't actually addressing you, Kirk! I typed my response to someone else before I saw your post...sorry for any confusion!
 
There are many folks who really liked the basic voicings of our XB-3 ceramic cabinets but struggled with the weight and also some with the cost. We simply took what we have learned over the years in our Neo and ligher weight products to bring to the table a viable middle ground that appeals to folks who prefer a more traditional voicing but with a lighter weight and not carrying the (now really significant) cost premium of Neo drivers.

Regarding what they sound like, we took some of the more modern voicing concepts that are easier to achieve with Neo speakers (because of possible magent and magnetic circuit geometries) and blended them with the more traditional or older school voicings that we have used in our XB (and other) cabinets by re-thinking some of the basic assumptions of the driver-cabinet-size-weight tradeoffs that we developed and later refined in our lightweight products and came up with something that falls right between many of the Neo and ceramic offerings in the industry. In fact, the weight of the Focus cabinest is lighter and smaller than some Neo offerings but retains a more traditional voicing with a little sprinkling of modern flavor.

This is the best way that I can sum it up. Perhaps some of you who have played the Focus line or who now own them could expand on my description?

That sounds like a whole lot of detailed engineering for a "budget" cab! I hope the investment pays off.

Can anyone provide an approximate "street price" for the 1x12?

I think I'll be selling a couple of 112s and moving to a pair of Focus cabs.
 
That sounds like a whole lot of detailed engineering for a "budget" cab! I hope the investment pays off.

Can anyone provide an approximate "street price" for the 1x12?

I think I'll be selling a couple of 112s and moving to a pair of Focus cabs.

It's not really a "budget" cabinet. Engineering is what I do. It doesn't matter if it's a more or less expensive product, it always makes sense to do the best job you can to maximize the performance and value.
 
It's not really a budget cabinet. Engineering is what I do. It doesn't matter if it's a more or less expensive product, it always makes sense to do the best job you can to maximize the performance and value.

Yeah, that's why I used quotations around budget. It's only budget relative to say, the uber cabs or other high $$ cabs on the market. Certainly not a run-of-the-mill "budget cab" as most folks would think. A very qualified term in this context.

I should have been more explicit.
 
I gotta say this thread was a blessing. Just acquired a walkabout head and have been looking for 2 8 ohm 1x12's (portability for practice and pairing for gigs. My other cabs are a 8 ohm 2x10 and a 4x10. I have been wanting to try the 12's. I can't afford $650+ for one speaker. Seeing these Focus cabs and the rep I have read about for GB brings some hope into the equation. Wish I could find some locally.