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Genz Benz - Official Streamliner Amp Thread -NEW !!
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IMO not at all. The Shuttles are voiced very modern, have all the modern bells and whistles, and according to Roger, that line is not changing.
This amp will appeal to a different type of player. If the preamp works/sounds like it is described, this will be a very tubey, and if you want it, snarly grindy, sounding amp.
In another part of this site, Roger posted that the design goal is that this amp's tone and feel is designed for guys who love all tube amps but hate the weight. Whether they are successful or not will be defined by those types of players in the market.
If you like it 'tight, bright, and clean', the other amps in the Shuttle line will probably still float your boat.
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it is also if somebody wants tube overdrive. That's why we called it "gain" instead of active/passive.
IMO, yes (although, of course, the RH450 uses tube emulation circuitry and also has more bells and whistles than you can shake a stick at.
The SVT7Pro or whatever that class D/SMPS but with a classic SVT tube front end model is seems to be the closest thing to this amp currently on the market... of course, it is quite a bit larger, and I'm sure has its own 'tubelike tone'.
For those who prefer rackmount gear, that SVT7Pro is great. Having said that, I like the fact that this new Streamliner amp is not targeted toward the rack form factor, but rather for portability.
I currently have rack gear, but I find myself being very much attracted to the idea of a compact amp that does not sound compact! I love big amp tube tone, but I do not love big amp weight. That's why I currently play through a Kern tube pre and QSC power amp.....I seek the tone without the weight. The Streamliner amp may in fact achieve that level of tone in a very highly schlepable form factor. If it does achieve that level of tone, this will be "one small amp for man, one giant leap for mankind." Hmmm....maybe they should have called it the Armstrong 900! (or maybe Genz is saving that moniker for a Streamlinermax 1800!!!)
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Good point.. Tubes can also be very clear and clean sounding too...
Lets not forget that the SA200 is an all tube amp... and it is not exactly snarly and grindy. I suppose it could be if one were to get on it.. but it is a nice clean fat sounding all tube amp.
Then the other side of the coin is Hiwatts, Orange, Marshall, Reeves etc.. which do that snarly grindy thing you speak about..
Lets not forget that the SA200 is an all tube amp... and it is not exactly snarly and grindy. I suppose it could be if one were to get on it.. but it is a nice clean fat sounding all tube amp.
Then the other side of the coin is Hiwatts, Orange, Marshall, Reeves etc.. which do that snarly grindy thing you speak about..
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Im guessing if one has a Shuttle 9 already and needs more power.. then winds up getting a Streamliner. They could always run preamp out of the Streamliner into the poweramp in on the 9 and have 1800 watts on hand..
Dont know if the poweramp section of the Streamliner and 9 are exactly the same..
Dont know if the poweramp section of the Streamliner and 9 are exactly the same..
I owned a Reeves 225 for a bit, and as Paul sang in Penny Lane, "it's a clean machine."
Since the Shuttle 9 has the clean sound, I would think that Genz would provide a different soundscape with the Streamliner.
I believe I read in a previous post from the Genz folks that the Shuttle 9 and the Streamliner have the same poweramp section.
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thats cool.. i have not played one... I had a Hiwatt back in the 70s that did clean well but it would get real nasty when cranked..
Didn't know the Reeves was a clean machine.. thank you..
Didn't know the Reeves was a clean machine.. thank you..
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Overdrive doesn't necessarily mean grindy, grainy, or snarly either. Some of my fave stuff is smooth and creamy and detailed in the lower-mids and mid-mids while having nice sparkle in the upper mids. And a lot of that is because of pre-tube and post-tube EQ contouring.
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IME, my Orange AD200 is certainly an overdrive machine, but my Reeves C225 is a very clean, lush sounding amp, and not very snarly/grindy at all.
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they don't have the same poweramp section. The only thing that is the same is the module itself.
But you've given me the chance to clarify again- this is not a version of the Shuttle. Anymore than a competitor's amp is that uses the same module.
Andy and Scott had to go back to the drawing boards with this one. Lots of hard and diligent work on their parts.
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now thats redneck
Well, if you want to keep your rack clean - or if you are rack-averse - then you can always put the bottle opener on the bass!
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interesting... I guess it depends on how you use it. since the sa200 i played was very clean... at a moderate gigging volume.. 410 cab gig
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Oh, if you were talking about the SA200, it can do very clean, to slightly warm and gritty, to much more fuzzy/growly/grindy (though no buzz-saw overdrive).
But my previous post was about the Orange AD200 and the Reeeves C225.
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