Genz Benz - Official Streamliner Amp Thread -NEW !!

[KJung]

Overdrive doesn't necessarily mean grindy, grainy, or snarly either. Some of my fave stuff is smooth and creamy and detailed in the lower-mids and mid-mids while having nice sparkle in the upper mids. And a lot of that is because of pre-tube and post-tube EQ contouring.

+1 to all these posts. My point (based on Roger's info in this thread and others today) is that the design goal of this head does not seem at all the more typical hybrid design of putting a single 12AX7 in the signal chain for a little more tube warmth in an otherwise solid state voiced amp (like the Shuttle amps). This seems to be going more the Mesa MPulse and especially the SVT7PRO direction of really trying to cop a 100% tube amp vibe, tone and feel, which of course can be very clean or snarly as heck. However, even the clean mode, I would guess, would sound quite different than the Shuttle (which is again what Roger is implying if I'm reading his comments correctly).

The beauty of this sort of design is that, unlike virtually any all tube amp I've ever played, you can keep whatever amount of 'tubiness' you dial in at a constant tone, and drive that tone, whether round and clean and airy or all out snarl, to ridiculous volume levels without those relatively low powered tube power sections really changing tone and performance as the volume increases to above very moderate levels.

IMO... makes perfect sense to me I would expect this head to be Genz's take and flavor of the MPulse and SVT7Pro class of amps... hybrids that are more 'TUBE/solid state' than the typical 'SOLID STATE/tube' sort of tone ratio that I hear in most hybrids.

 

[mikeddd]

The more I read, the more I like! I'd love to have the tone of a big SVT; to have that in a much smaller and lighter form factor...I'm sold. Just...you know...make a rackmount kit for it.

 

[SactoBass]

they don't have the same poweramp section. The only thing that is the same is the module itself.

But you've given me the chance to clarify again- this is not a version of the Shuttle. Anymore than a competitor's amp is that uses the same module.

Andy and Scott had to go back to the drawing boards with this one. Lots of hard and diligent work on their parts.

Thank you for clarifying!

My interest in this amp is very high!!

 

[svtb15]

oops.. I better but my glasses on..

Oh, if you were talking about the SA200, it can do very clean, to slightly warm and gritty, to much more fuzzy/growly/grindy (though no buzz-saw overdrive).

But my previous post was about the Orange AD200 and the Reeeves C225.

 

[RickenBoogie]

Im guessing if one has a Shuttle 9 already and needs more power.. then winds up getting a Streamliner. They could always run preamp out of the Streamliner into the poweramp in on the 9 and have 1800 watts on hand..
Dont know if the poweramp section of the Streamliner and 9 are exactly the same..

You'd still only have 900 watts in that scenario. In order to get double, (1800) wattage, you'd need to run both amps in stereo. Preamp out of one into the other, cuts the first amps powerstage out of the path. And, if this amp ends up sounding like a 900 watt Walkabout, I'm all over it. Already a big GB speaker fan, but so far, not into any of their amps. This could change that.

 

[hasbeen]

The more I read, the more I like! I'd love to have the tone of a big SVT; to have that in a much smaller and lighter form factor...I'm sold. Just...you know...make a rackmount kit for it.

Rack kit: yes.

 

[fretno]

it is purdy

 

[Stingray5]

I didn't comment on the aesthetics of the amp but now that it's been brought up...I really don't care for them either. Kinda looks like an Airstream trailer from the 50's.

I wonder if it's just the logo:

If you cover up the Streamliner 900 it doesn't look very retro at all. Kinda reminds me of the Ashdown logo a little with those 'V' shaped lines:




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[Derek Kiernan]

The lines really do remind me of art deco but not in the sense of musical equipment from that era. The train parallel makes a lot of sense to me. It didn't hit me immediately, but I can see how that could potentially be gorgeous "in person"

 

[greenboy]

Just looks like an amp to me.



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[LightGroove]

+1 to all these posts. My point (based on Roger's info in this thread and others today) is that the design goal of this head does not seem at all the more typical hybrid design of putting a single 12AX7 in the signal chain for a little more tube warmth in an otherwise solid state voiced amp (like the Shuttle amps). This seems to be going more the Mesa MPulse and especially the SVT7PRO direction of really trying to cop a 100% tube amp vibe, tone and feel, which of course can be very clean or snarly as heck. However, even the clean mode, I would guess, would sound quite different than the Shuttle (which is again what Roger is implying if I'm reading his comments correctly).

The beauty of this sort of design is that, unlike virtually any all tube amp I've ever played, you can keep whatever amount of 'tubiness' you dial in at a constant tone, and drive that tone, whether round and clean and airy or all out snarl, to ridiculous volume levels without those relatively low powered tube power sections really changing tone and performance as the volume increases to above very moderate levels.

IMO... makes perfect sense to me I would expect this head to be Genz's take and flavor of the MPulse and SVT7Pro class of amps... hybrids that are more 'TUBE/solid state' than the typical 'SOLID STATE/tube' sort of tone ratio that I hear in most hybrids.

So how do you "dial in" the amount of tube/snarl... Will this be derived in the gain section or will there be a separate knob all together?

 

[bucephylus]

... I would expect this head to be Genz's take and flavor of the MPulse and SVT7Pro class of amps... hybrids that are more 'TUBE/solid state' than the typical 'SOLID STATE/tube' sort of tone ratio that I hear in most hybrids.

Ken, more to the point, Roger owns and favors the Trace Hexavalve, which is pretty clean tube amp. He also, mentions that amp as a concept target. That is sort of where I expect the tone will be headed. IMO.

 

[mikeddd]

Rack kit: yes.

Cha-ching! This is important to me and I'm sure I'm not the only one out there. Thank you. Curious as to how it wil work, mechanically. Unless the pic of the amp in this thread is not a final, retail pic. I.E. no mounting holes. Anyway...

Now that I've had 12 or so hours to stare at the picture, and the gallon of coffee has left my system: If you cover up the logo, as Stingray5 suggested, actually doesn't look too retro. Strange how it really struck me that way earlier today.

I have a feeling that once I hear soundclips of this amp, I'll be in line for one. I just hope it keeps the Shuttle's feature set on the back panel.

 

[svtb15]

The back panel is the same

 

[abarson]

time to design heads with skins. faceplates that let the knobs poke through. sounds dirty. but keeps them clean.

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Skins for cabs, as well!

 

[Basshappi]

Yes, would like back panel info.

 

[mikeddd]

The back panel is the same

May I ask how you know this? Pics or no amp back panel.

 

[greenboy]

Skins for cabs, as well!

It's be easy to design transferable faceplates if the designs are nacelled properly ahead of time for controls - could use anodized metal, or various plastics. Of course it's another tooling cost, and no matter how much variety you offer it's not enough.

In the cell phone industry third parties participate in a lot of the customizables, but that would be not so likely here.

 

[DennyOnBass]

You'd still only have 900 watts in that scenario. In order to get double, (1800) wattage, you'd need to run both amps in stereo. Preamp out of one into the other, cuts the first amps powerstage out of the path. And, if this amp ends up sounding like a 900 watt Walkabout, I'm all over it. Already a big GB speaker fan, but so far, not into any of their amps. This could change that.

Wrong. You can use the effect send on the Shuttle 9.0 to send the Shuttle's preamp signal to another power amp without cutting its power stage. In the manual they suggest daisy chaining from the effects send of one Shuttle to the effects return of another to effectively daisy chain the amps.

 

[agedhorse]

Wrong. You can use the effect send on the Shuttle 9.0 to send the Shuttle's preamp signal to another power amp without cutting its power stage. In the manual they suggest daisy chaining from the effects send of one Shuttle to the effects return of another to effectively daisy chain the amps.

Modulator is correct.