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Genz Benz Shuttle Max 12.0

#201
agedhorse said:
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General information: Cascading filters can result in unpredictable (without the math) response depending on slopes, alignments and corner frequencies of the individual filters.
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[I was hoping that someone else would raise an issue with this; since not thus far...]

The above would tend to reinforce my belief that those built-in filters (as in your preamps) should be defeatable.

Am I missing something?
 
#202
The sleeve has not been an issue at all. A front and back cover would be devine but I don't miss it. I do handle it differently than I did with 4 space rack. I do prefer the Shuttle in a bag...can't wait for the shuttle12 max in a bag:hyper:


BuffaloBob4343 said:
Dennis,

I love the look of the EZ-SLV but do you have any problems with the lack of a face cover when loading/unloading?

I sure wish the Genz guys would make a face cover for that unit. Hint/Hint wink/wink say no more....;):p
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#203
lo-freq said:
[I was hoping that someone else would raise an issue with this; since not thus far...]

The above would tend to reinforce my belief that those built-in filters (as in your preamps) should be defeatable.

Am I missing something?
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Yes, the power amplifier built into our products does not have an additional HPF. Therefore there are no cascaded HPF's to worry about. The HPF's are there by design.

If you were to use the amp as a preamp (post, DI out, line level) then you would need to defeatthe HPF (deselect) in the power amp you choose to use. All power amps that I am familiar with have defeatable HPF's because most crossovers and speaker DSP's have HPF's as part of that unit.

Actually, let me rephrase that for complete accuracy... ALL (normal) power amps have a HPF built into the basic amp's circuitry... generally it's around 5 - 10Hz, 6dB/octave and is part of the shunt leg of the global feedback loop. It's there to improve the amp's low frequency performance and stability. Now there is generally a second HPF that is defeatable, something around 30-50 Hz. There is no problem cascading the amp's 2 HPF's because ofthe slope and spread.
 
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#206
Fretlessboy said:
The sleeve has not been an issue at all. A front and back cover would be devine but I don't miss it. I do handle it differently than I did with 4 space rack. I do prefer the Shuttle in a bag...can't wait for the shuttle12 max in a bag:hyper:
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I certainly understand the attractiveness of the Shuttle Max 12.

Wish I could afford both. But right now, I'm stickn' with the beast!:bassist:
 
#208
BuffaloBob4343 said:
I certainly understand the attractiveness of the Shuttle Max 12.

Wish I could afford both. But right now, I'm stickn' with the beast!:bassist:
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we're in the same company....my main rig is the same as yours...GBE1200 and Uber 4x10.

When a run a single, 2x12 cab, I still use a NeoPak.
 
#210
What's the best way to connect a pair of 8 ohm cabs to get the most out of a Shuttle Max 12.0 (max output and headroom before clipping), one to each side or in parallel for a 4 ohm load to one side? Would there be an audible difference?
 
#212
5StringPocket said:
What's the best way to connect a pair of 8 ohm cabs to get the most out of a Shuttle Max 12.0 (max output and headroom before clipping), one to each side or in parallel for a 4 ohm load to one side? Would there be an audible difference?
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one cabinet on each side... 375 watts per cabinet.

I would expect the difference would be audible, but that depends on your definition of audible... (couldn't resist the political reference here ;) )
 
#214
I love it too... but you know know me and 12's...lol
I think next weekend I will get to try both of them:eyebrow::hyper::help:


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#217
BuffaloBob4343 said:
And I bet that, as bad-ass as that combo is, you (like me) are still thinking about what it would be like to put an Uber 212 under that 410, aren't you??!!:p
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I already did that last year.....which lead to the creation of the Uber 2x12.

Randy Jackson was at our shop and we were doing live play testing, trying to come up with a stadium back line for him.

We tried all sorts of configurations. What we ended up with was three stacks. Each stack was a Neox-212T lying on its side, with an Uber 4x10 on top, powered by a GBE1200. Man, three GBE 1200's going through six cabs at the same time. I played through it with my USA Lakland 5 string.....OMG..the volume. :eek:

Anyway, he liked how the 2x12 rounded out the bottom so much, we decided to build the Uber 2x12.

I'd never have the need for such a setup though...with my gigs. I play mostly R&B, latin etc. Two months ago, I did a progressive metal gig though, with a guitarist from a band called Fates Warning. It was a loud and busy (mix) stage. Still, the one 4x10 was plenty. I did switch to my Ken Smith though.....as it cut through the "din" on the stage much better.
 
#218
hasbeen said:
I already did that last year.....which lead to the creation of the Uber 2x12.

Randy Jackson was at our shop and we were doing live play testing, trying to come up with a stadium back line for him.

We tried all sorts of configurations. What we ended up with was three stacks. Each stack was a Neox-212T lying on its side, with an Uber 4x10 on top, powered by a GBE1200. Man, three GBE 1200's going through six cabs at the same time. I played through it with my USA Lakland 5 string.....OMG..the volume. :eek:

Anyway, he liked how the 2x12 rounded out the bottom so much, we decided to build the Uber 2x12.

I'd never have the need for such a setup though...with my gigs. I play mostly R&B, latin etc. Two months ago, I did a progressive metal gig though, with a guitarist from a band called Fates Warning. It was a loud and busy (mix) stage. Still, the one 4x10 was plenty. I did switch to my Ken Smith though.....as it cut through the "din" on the stage much better.
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Strange that a player who likes a pure, clean tone like Randy Jackson would have a huge, loud backline rig for large concerts. Virtually all those guys that I'm aware of are using in ears, and either no rig or a very small rig under the stage for 'feel'. Interesting. I wonder why he would go this route?
 
#220
KJung said:
Strange that a player who likes a pure, clean tone like Randy Jackson would have a huge, loud backline rig for large concerts. Virtually all those guys that I'm aware of are using in ears, and either no rig or a very small rig under the stage for 'feel'. Interesting. I wonder why he would go this route?
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I'm not sure. This was for some special, "benefit/save the world" type, multi artist concert. It was to be an arena, out door event too.

He'd been using GB previously but, it was just a GBE1200 and a single 2x12. So, this "wall" was a special application type of thing. That said, the "Randy" cabinet now is a single cabinet with four 10's and two 12's....in what looks like an 8x10 Uber cab.
 

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