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Genz Benz Streamliner, Part 10

Test Conditions:
a) No external connections other than power and a cabinet.
b) muted input
c) all controls at noon

Expected Result:
The amp should not produce any noticeably objectionable hum or buzz..even at max output. Some slight white noise proportional to gain/volume/volume is to be expected, but this is slight and largely un-noticeable at most normal volumes.

Problem Result:
From my earlier post as to hum and its susceptibilities. "the level of hum reduces as you increase gain, dramatically increases as you increase volume and is proportionally variable with changes in the master volume."

Recommended Fix Procedure:
1. Completely disconnect the amp from everything.
2. Remove the 12 screws holding the top cover using a 2mm allen wrench.
3. Tighten those pcb mounting screws that have a washer..these are grounding points...do not overtighten as you may strip the supporting pillars.
4. Refit the top cover, taking care not to overtighten the screws as you can strip the side panels.

IMPORTANT NOTES
1. Its your amp, proceed at your own risk.
2. If you dont know what you are doing, or are prone to ham-fistedness, dont do this (see Note 1. above).
3. Needless to say, opening the amp will theoretically void your warranty (see Note 1. above).
4. This is not a guaranteed fix, there are obviously several failure mechanisms that can cause hum/buzz in the output including but not limited to noisy components, really bad mains, ground loops, mice and extra terrestials. (ie its worth trying, but see note 1 above).
5. If you forget to unplug the amp despite step 1 of the repair procedure and electrocute yourself, blame Darwin, not me. (didn't i say see Note 1?)
6. If anything else gets broken, lost stops working or damaged, re-read Note 1.

Yup, I think that covers it :D

Could I ask to post the fix here? Bet there a lot if us wouldn't mind knowing this

Thanks
 
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For anybody having trouble getting a neutral tone from the Streamliner: You can try the settings in the picture as a neutral starting point.

The Streamliner has a notorious low end bump when the tone controls are centered at 12 noon. Some like it. Others feel it's "wooly".

I compared the pre and post direct out sound with a spectrum analyzer. And I tweaked the tone controls until the post direct sound was a near (VERY near) perfect tracing of the pre direct sound. Basically, just set the Mid Frequency to 600hz and boost to about 2 o'clock. And cut the bass down to about 10 o'clock. I had the Gain on low and set to 12 noon. But that'll be dependent on your particular bass.

With this setting, the Streamliner reproduces my bass (an active Musicman Sterling) as it really sounds. And the spectrum analyzer confirms this. From there, I can boost or cut things as needed for the situation.
 

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Ha, VERY close to my settings. I roll treble to 1 oclock though.
I still think its not neutral however, not like my Shuttlemax 9.2 at noon. Its always bit thick & sweeter on the top end. If I want total tonal clarity? I plug a clear preamp or pedal in the back.
EBS microbass at the moment. Big difference. Great feature
 
For anybody having trouble getting a neutral tone from the Streamliner: You can try the settings in the picture as a neutral starting point.

The Streamliner has a notorious low end bump when the tone controls are centered at 12 noon. Some like it. Others feel it's "wooly".

I compared the pre and post direct out sound with a spectrum analyzer. And I tweaked the tone controls until the post direct sound was a near (VERY near) perfect tracing of the pre direct sound. Basically, just set the Mid Frequency to 600hz and boost to about 2 o'clock. And cut the bass down to about 10 o'clock. I had the Gain on low and set to 12 noon. But that'll be dependent on your particular bass.

With this setting, the Streamliner reproduces my bass (an active Musicman Sterling) as it really sounds. And the spectrum analyzer confirms this. From there, I can boost or cut things as needed for the situation.

Looks similar to what I do sometimes. Personally I find it really easy to get great tones out of this head, the only real significant variable for me is how much bass to roll off.
 
I've got a Streamliner 900 showing up tomorrow. I scored a great deal in the classifieds. I'm excited! I will be pairing it with a Schroeder 212PL and 15PL. I got to try out the 900 at Jorg's house when i needed a quick repair. It sounded fantastic through my 212PL, i can't wait to hear it with the "big rig" :p. I've been all over the Tone Primer thread and i think i'm ready... hahaha!

I really thought i would get another TH500 (it was stolen along with all of my gear Jan 18th), but the STL 900 grabbed my ears big time. I can't thank TB'er Playzabass enough for the great deal.
 
on mine too. I use the SVT settings quite abit too.

Just bought a new GB 9.2 non-max for a pretty good price on Ebay. I've been trying both heads out around the house with my NeoX 212T cab, abit thru a Eden D210T cab too.

Gona roll out the UL410 tomorrow to try to see what the 9.2 head can do with that cab. I've tried a few times to use the 900 with that cab; just can't make it work well. I just sold one UL410 and plan to keep the second one if I get 9.2 to work with it.

I was very close to buying the GK MB800 or TH500 to pair with that 410 cab but just from vids I've seen I those two heads might be way too "grindy" for my tastes. I'm trying to get a more clean-modern to hi-fi tone using the UL410 in a new band. Hoping the 9.2 does it. I had alot of amp choices out there to consider. Just kinda went with what I'm more familiar with tone-wise;GenzBenz. The 900 aint going nowhere, as I do still prefer it over the 9.2 so far.
 
Are you??..
* Thinking of returning a Streamliner because its a bad match for your cabinet?
* Thinking that you want all controls at noon to be a flat response?..even though this is rare in amps?
* Put off actually purchasing one of these awesome amps by folks bemoaning bass and treble humps (aka mid scoop...imo a highly musical tonal curve)

well.... for all of $30 on Ebay, buy a used Presonus EQ3B and stick it in the FX loop for a 3 band parametric EQ which can give you instant flat response at the push of a button...settings and screenshots here...

Before (bypass engaged):

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After (with EQ3C):

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Settings :

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yup, i know, should have done screen captures rather than cell phone pics, but hopefully you get the idea.. and personally.. the original sounds much warmer..hey like a tube amp..oh wait.. wasnt that the idea?..:)

but anyway, a fix for those that need it!
 
No idea ... but its 6"*6.25"*2"...and if you would like to send me a gig bag i can check :)..lol

Very important question Mystic; does the presonus fit in the pocket of the streamliner gig bag? Great info btw!

Phil.


oops. sorry didnt mean to be redundant redundant..hopefully its good info for folks who didnt see that thread tho!

Johnk_10 found the same thing with the same EQ unit back when he was exploring the Streamliner. pretty cool stuff. :)

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f15/more-streamliner-900-tone-voicing-tests-858955/

In that thread above, John clearly spent way more time than me in tweaking the knob.. i think from turning on to taking the pics took me all of 3 mins... its that easy... I saw reference to the Presonus EQ3B back in the tone settings thread.. its a really well made unit, contributes almost zero noise, (low enough that i cannot tell during the time it takes to switch off and unplug it for comparison).. and has smooth operating pots with detents and most of all, variable Q... its a keeper no matter what amp you have.
 
Interesting link, Mystic. Thanks. I think Steve Rolfeca's tone experiments were probably more scientific and accurate than mine. I just looped a bass line and twiddled the knobs until the pre and post direct tones sounded and looked the same. Using white noise would've been more accurate. But probably would've set me on an endless OCD chase for perfection. Personally, I love the old-school flavor the Streamliner adds. That's why I got it. It's so warm and gooey.
 
I saw reference to the Presonus EQ3B back in the tone settings thread.. its a really well made unit, contributes almost zero noise, (low enough that i cannot tell during the time it takes to switch off and unplug it for comparison).. and has smooth operating pots with detents and most of all, variable Q... its a keeper no matter what amp you have.

Yeah, I might look into getting one of those...


- georgestrings
 
Well, it would be pink noise of course..which better matches what we hear but thats just between you and me..sssh :)
Interestingly enough though, the ability to use the bypass switch to A/B flat vs noon left me with instant "ho hum" for the flat response and "yeah" for the scooped.
But further listening sees that response and appreciation level varies by bass type too...
* the SB-2 loses some growl with the mid scoop (as that bass is certainly not shy about its prodigious bass output)..so it sounded better flat.
* the JB-2 was great either way, noon or flat.
* the Ibanez SR1200 (Nordstrand big singles) sounded better with noon as it likes the warmth..

I suspect that I will end up with some softer EQ3B setting that leaves the general mid scoop shape, just less pronounced...still playing.

all of this with the Uber quad.. so other than tweeter set to zero I assume a kinda mostly flatish response from that.. (ok..disclosure..was simply my assumption that the 12 plus 2*8's for midrange would present a flatter heard response that say a 115 and so be a better tonal companion for the streamliner.)

Interesting link, Mystic. Thanks. I think Steve Rolfeca's tone experiments were probably more scientific and accurate than mine. I just looped a bass line and twiddled the knobs until the pre and post direct tones sounded and looked the same. Using white noise would've been more accurate. But probably would've set me on an endless OCD chase for perfection. Personally, I love the old-school flavor the Streamliner adds. That's why I got it. It's so warm and gooey.