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Genz-Benz Streamliner Part 5

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Saluki said:
I had two more sets at church today and I like the highs and lows and still fighting to get my mids right. Not sure if I should be cutting or boosting to get what I need so, will be playing with it more. I think I would like this head alot more in a less crowded mix. We had keys, horns, two guitarists, full choir (no bagpipes-btw). It would at least be easier for me to get where I think I need to be. I think I would love tracking with this amp and may get a chance in the near future.
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imho it depends on what you're trying to do in/with that mix. This amp and the P-bass have turned around my thinking on my sound with one of my bands (a Steely Dan tribute band). I traditionally have wanted something that cuts (like a Roscoe) with very good mid definition so I could hear the bass without having to crank it that high. I got the P-bass and had a bit of a revelation in that mix (keys, 2 horns, 2 guitars, 3 vocalists). No real cut, just wrapping around the mix. The S900 supports that approach really well. If I were using the Roscoe and trying to slice through, I think it would require some radical eq on the S900 to get what I used to do (eg with an MB Fusion).

And interestingly enough, last night in a sparse mix, I wasn't really feeling the P-bass as much, but the Rob Allen was killing. So part of it is (re)learning how all the moving parts relate to each other. But if one really wants/needs an aggressive or ultra hi-fi tone, there are probably better choices in an amp.
 
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nostatic said:
imho it depends on what you're trying to do in/with that mix. This amp and the P-bass have turned around my thinking on my sound with one of my bands (a Steely Dan tribute band). I traditionally have wanted something that cuts (like a Roscoe) with very good mid definition so I could hear the bass without having to crank it that high. I got the P-bass and had a bit of a revelation in that mix (keys, 2 horns, 2 guitars, 3 vocalists). No real cut, just wrapping around the mix. The S900 supports that approach really well. If I were using the Roscoe and trying to slice through, I think it would require some radical eq on the S900 to get what I used to do (eg with an MB Fusion).

And interestingly enough, last night in a sparse mix, I wasn't really feeling the P-bass as much, but the Rob Allen was killing. So part of it is (re)learning how all the moving parts relate to each other. But if one really wants/needs an aggressive or ultra hi-fi tone, there are probably better choices in an amp.
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+1 Pure IMO, but this amp in no way delivers my ' J Bass tone', and I would have no interest in this amp with a J Bass (again, my tone goals for a J bass are tight down low, and strong dose of mids for that 'quick response' and a lot of brightness and grind up top,with a bit of upper treble sizzle on occasion).

However, my concept of a P Bass tone is big, fat, growly, but 'round' and not boomy (as an example, there is NOTHING I hate more than the tone Pino Pallidino gets with his P Bass... that 'everything rolled of but the low end sort of mud). This head, with the right cab, REALLY delivers what I hear as the perfect P tone.... tubey and big but not muddy, with some snap up top when you want it.

IMO, my F500 totally slays this head with my J's, again for my tone goal (the Shuttle 9 would be similar). So, F500/AE212 will continue to be my J Bass rig, and the Streamliner900/AE410 is the P Bass thing (which the Thunderchild serving as my smaller gig choice).
 
#423
C'mon Ken - Show Pino some love - he is a great player despite the "MUD TONE"

You guys are giving me extreme SL900 gas, might have to pull the plug on one this week, I've been in deep deliberation between this and the shuttle max 9.2..................
 
#424
FunkyFrosty said:
C'mon Ken - Show Pino some love - he is a great player despite the "MUD TONE"

You guys are giving me extreme SL900 gas, might have to pull the plug on one this week, I've been in deep deliberation between this and the shuttle max 9.2..................
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Only talking about his recent tone as a context to make sure readers don't think that is what I'm going for. Great player of course, just miss hearing the notes at this point in his career. Of course, the Streamliner can do the Pino thing, but most amps could IMO once you roll off everything over 200hz or whatever.

Anyway, promised a gig report, and there it is!
 
#425
Saluki said:
I had two more sets at church today and I like the highs and lows and still fighting to get my mids right. Not sure if I should be cutting or boosting to get what I need so, will be playing with it more. I think I would like this head alot more in a less crowded mix. We had keys, horns, two guitarists, full choir (no bagpipes-btw). It would at least be easier for me to get where I think I need to be. I think I would love tracking with this amp and may get a chance in the near future.
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A couple of recomendations after a handful of gigs under the belt.

1) As Tunaman pointed out, don't be afraid of the 2.5 hz mid setting. Where the 600 setting is 'mid mids' the 2.5 is right in the middle of the high mid frequency range. I used the 600 setting thinking that the engineers are usually more in tune with a proper center point, but for my tonal goals, the 2.5 really works!

2) Try runing the gain clean for a more clean hi-fi sound. Try the gain at 9 or 10 o'clock with some mid boost in the 2.5 range.

Hopefully this will help :)
 
#426
Passive Jazz Players:

I did a shoot out last night with the St 900, a Shuttle 9.0, and Shuttlemax 6.0. My 73' jazz has very little buzz thru the 2 Shuttle amps, but a ton of gnarly buzz thru the St 900. Same is true with my Custom Shop Jazz in active & passive modes. Is this a 'tube' thing? Any ideas? I play my 73' 4 or 5 nights per week so if I can't figure this out, it's just not gonna work out for me. My 73' is not shielded, but again, it is nice and quiet thru the Shuttles.
 
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faulknersj said:
A couple of recomendations after a handful of gigs under the belt.

1) As Tunaman pointed out, don't be afraid of the 2.5 hz mid setting. Where the 600 setting is 'mid mids' the 2.5 is right in the middle of the high mid frequency range. I used the 600 setting thinking that the engineers are usually more in tune with a proper center point, but for my tonal goals, the 2.5 really works!

2) Try runing the gain clean for a more clean hi-fi sound. Try the gain at 9 or 10 o'clock with some mid boost in the 2.5 range.

Hopefully this will help :)
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A couple other things to try that may be counter-intuitive:

3) run the gain around 12:00 but volume full. Set overall volume with the master volume.

4) push the gain switch in and run the gain between 11:00-1:00. Depending on the bass you probably won't get much distortion but you might get a mid punch increase.

With a lot of amps the gain structure doesn't have a lot of influence on the tone/feel. You pretty much set it to just below clipping and then dial in the eq to get your sound. I'm finding that is not the case with the S900.
 
#430
My Sl 900 is very quiet with my Lull M5V in passive mode (Seymour Duncan singles), very much so.

Also I echo the comments that this amp really help EB Sterlings- mine never sounded so full (maybe I'll stop debating on selling it..................probably not):smug:
 
#431
faulknersj said:
Passive Jazz Players:

I did a shoot out last night with the St 900, a Shuttle 9.0, and Shuttlemax 6.0. My 73' jazz has very little buzz thru the 2 Shuttle amps, but a ton of gnarly buzz thru the St 900. Same is true with my Custom Shop Jazz in active & passive modes. Is this a 'tube' thing? Any ideas? I play my 73' 4 or 5 nights per week so if I can't figure this out, it's just not gonna work out for me. My 73' is not shielded, but again, it is nice and quiet thru the Shuttles.
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Mine is dead quiet with my passive J, although it does not have single coils just fyi.
 
#434
faulknersj said:
Thanks for the feedback fellas! I do have single coils, but I think there must have just been a lot of interference in the room. Still, a bit perplexing that the Shuttles were dead quiet in the same room.
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I had a problem with my Sterling HH for the 1st time with noise, hiss & 60 hz hum. Went away & came back last time I played. I have to do some more tests but this amp may be a little more sensitive to environment noise.

I'm going to bring in the ipod, cellphone & laptop after playing no where near an electronic device & see what happens.
 
#436
Just finished a rehearsal with a contemporary Top 40's group. Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Muse type stuff.

Lakland 55-02, STM900, TC E RS210

Very supportive low end, like others have said, it kinda wraps around the music rather than supports it. Love the high end, too; sweet and just a little airy on top.

I had the same experience as a few others. I'm trying to figure out those mids a little better. My intention isn't to cut through, but I did get a little lost in the the mix a few times. And I do miss that upper mid J-bass grind on some of the funkier tunes. Overall, really liking it in the mix, but still working on it to get it right.

I'm also thinking of getting an F1 for the sake of A/B purposes. I ran the F1/AE410 rig for a while and it did great in my 70's bands, but I wasn't a fan of it playing neosoul or some of the rockier tunes. I'm curious to see how the F1 would pair with a more low-mid oriented cab like my RS210, and then see how that rig compares to the STM900.
 
#438
Are you guys who are having issues with mids cutting the bass enough? Try bass at 9 o'clock, highs at 10, and mids at 2 or 3 (2.5 hz).

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#439
Played with a few friends of mine this afternoon. Use my 51 P Bass. That Bass has that upper mid karang going with it's single coil pup. I had the gain switch in, input gain dimed, channel level at 12:00 and everything else set flat. We played pretty darn loud. I had the master on around 9:00 and I was using my two Berg 1x12 Cabs with tweeters off.

Man I love that tone for rock. No issues with mids on that rig. The cranked tube amp tone is just hilarious, all coming out of that tiny little stack.

The drummer commented that it was really loud but "I bet it doesn't get much louder than that", so I turned the master to about 3:00 and hit a few notes. They asked that I please turn back down, I just grinned. :D:hyper:
 
#440
Eublet said:
Are you guys who are having issues with mids cutting the bass enough? Try bass at 9 o'clock, highs at 10, and mids at 2 or 3 (2.5 hz).

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I'll try that. I was using my AE410 which has a more pronounced upper mid bump then the AE212. I believe more cut would be needed on the low end on the AE212 vs the AE410.
 
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