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Genzler Amplification Club

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KJMO said:
Well derr! But when you feed something into the aux in, does it come out the DI? Or only the speaker out and headphone out?
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Only speaker out and headset out...sorry. I know what you’re getting at, as my old Ampeg solid state had the option of running a 1/4” out to the DI. But as stated here that’s not an option with the new Magellan amps.
 
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iceboxbass said:
Only speaker out and headset out...sorry. I know what you’re getting at, as my old Ampeg solid state had the option of running a 1/4” out to the DI. But as stated here that’s not an option with the new Magellan amps.
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It sounds like you're thinking I want a 1/4" out instead of xlr for the DI, but that's not the deal. At this point I'm not sure it matters, but just to try to clarify, I was wanting to use the aux in for my keyboard bass. It actually works fine for that as long as I'm only using my cab, but with a big sound system when I send the DI to FOH, he or she is only going to get my bass, and not the aux in (my keyboard) in the DI, because the aux in does not feed into the DI. I wish it did because then I wouldn't have to have my Tonebone and it's a/b switch, and I wouldn't have to remember to switch because whatever I play would feed into the amp without switching. But no huge deal. The mg-350 is incredibly nice, and I'm absolutely amazed how loud the ba-10 is considering it's size. It's unreal.
 
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KJMO said:
It sounds like you're thinking I want a 1/4" out instead of xlr for the DI, but that's not the deal. At this point I'm not sure it matters, but just to try to clarify, I was wanting to use the aux in for my keyboard bass. It actually works fine for that as long as I'm only using my cab, but with a big sound system when I send the DI to FOH, he or she is only going to get my bass, and not the aux in (my keyboard) in the DI, because the aux in does not feed into the DI. I wish it did because then I wouldn't have to have my Tonebone and it's a/b switch, and I wouldn't have to remember to switch because whatever I play would feed into the amp without switching. But no huge deal. The mg-350 is incredibly nice, and I'm absolutely amazed how loud the ba-10 is considering it's size. It's unreal.
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@KJMO, yes all if your points here are correct. The AUX IN comes in at the Main output of the preamp so that is why you won't get the signal at the DI. Glad you do like the MG 350.
 
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Jeff Genzler said:
@KJMO, yes all if your points here are correct. The AUX IN comes in at the Main output of the preamp so that is why you won't get the signal at the DI. Glad you do like the MG 350.
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Thanks so much! Definitive info is nice to come by at least occasionally! I really am happy with the amp and cab. I used the di at line level to go into my powered pa cab a couple gigs ago, and it worked like a champ, so it really has some features that are unusual and useful.
 
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Jeff Genzler said:
@KJMO, yes all if your points here are correct. The AUX IN comes in at the Main output of the preamp so that is why you won't get the signal at the DI. Glad you do like the MG 350.
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AUX IN to DI OUT should be a switchable feature, because both options makes sense. In case you want to use AUX IN as a second input you want the AUX IN routed to DI OUT. In my setup I use the AUX IN as a personal monitor to feed in from the FoH mix. This avoids another monitor wedge on stage. For this option I of course do not want the AUX IN routed to DI OUT to avoid feedback loops at the FoH mixer. A seperate AUX volume pot also makes perfect sense for this setup.
 
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TheBass said:
AUX IN to DI OUT should be a switchable feature, because both options makes sense. In case you want to use AUX IN as a second input you want the AUX IN routed to DI OUT. In my setup I use the AUX IN as a personal monitor to feed in from the FoH mix. This avoids another monitor wedge on stage. For this option I of course do not want the AUX IN routed to DI OUT to avoid feedback loops at the FoH mixer. A seperate AUX volume pot also makes perfect sense for this setup.
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DI out is preamp only. aux in bypasses preamp so no... the other problem is - you would be balancing your bass input to match the other input instead of optimizing the gain structure on both. Also you would be taking away FOH control on balancing the different instruments. (what sounds good at 5 feet may not translate to the audience well).

If you could get the balance right and don't care about optimizing your stage volume for your bass...
What you really want is a second channel on the preamp. You could use a small mixer before the preamp stage to get around this but again your stage volume may not be optimized or your FOH may be compromised.
 
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TheBass said:
AUX IN to DI OUT should be a switchable feature, because both options makes sense. In case you want to use AUX IN as a second input you want the AUX IN routed to DI OUT. In my setup I use the AUX IN as a personal monitor to feed in from the FoH mix. This avoids another monitor wedge on stage. For this option I of course do not want the AUX IN routed to DI OUT to avoid feedback loops at the FoH mixer. A seperate AUX volume pot also makes perfect sense for this setup.
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I'd love it if that were an option, but I truly recognize that you just can't have everything for everybody.
 
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Loring said:
DI out is preamp only. aux in bypasses preamp so no... the other problem is - you would be balancing your bass input to match the other input instead of optimizing the gain structure on both. Also you would be taking away FOH control on balancing the different instruments. (what sounds good at 5 feet may not translate to the audience well).

If you could get the balance right and don't care about optimizing your stage volume for your bass...
What you really want is a second channel on the preamp. You could use a small mixer before the preamp stage to get around this but again your stage volume may not be optimized or your FOH may be compromised.
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Those are really all things you have to deal with no matter how you do it, as far as I can tell. Everything has tradeoffs. The way I do it now, I have to set the gain for each input on the AB switch on my tonebone. When I set that so the the keyboard sounds equal in loudness to the bass, FOH is happy (and he helps me listen). If I used the aux in on the genzler, I would change the ouput level on the keyboard, which would work pretty much the same as what I'm doing with the tonebone. If I sent the bass and keyboard to the sound board with separate DI's to different channels, I would be using an extra channel that we probably don't have, and I would lose control of muting or switching unless I add an extra piece of equipment in the loop, and more importantly I would have still have to find a way to get both back to my amp. In this case, it would be valuable to me (and slick) to get rid of a piece of equipment to simplify setup etc., but like I said, what I have works well (and in a couple other ways better), so no biggie.
 
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KJMO said:
Those are really all things you have to deal with no matter how you do it, as far as I can tell. Everything has tradeoffs. The way I do it now, I have to set the gain for each input on the AB switch on my tonebone. When I set that so the the keyboard sounds equal in loudness to the bass, FOH is happy (and he helps me listen). If I used the aux in on the genzler, I would change the ouput level on the keyboard, which would work pretty much the same as what I'm doing with the tonebone. If I sent the bass and keyboard to the sound board with separate DI's to different channels, I would be using an extra channel that we probably don't have, and I would lose control of muting or switching unless I add an extra piece of equipment in the loop, and more importantly I would have still have to find a way to get both back to my amp. In this case, it would be valuable to me (and slick) to get rid of a piece of equipment to simplify setup etc., but like I said, what I have works well (and in a couple other ways better), so no biggie.
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It could, of course work - just takes FOH out of it - no post work can be done to one without the other. Including any eq comp, rev.

I prefer they do very little to my bass tone but recognize that keyboards may need different settings than my bass. Sometimes the trade off is better if they do nothing however...
 
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Loring said:
It could, of course work - just takes FOH out of it - no post work can be done to one without the other. Including any eq comp, rev.

I prefer they do very little to my bass tone but recognize that keyboards may need different settings than my bass. Sometimes the trade off is better if they do nothing however...
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I hadn't thought about it, but that's a problem I've often come across with submixes. I've seen drummers use a mixer and send a stereo feed to the board, and our keyboardist was doing that until we got a new board. It was more problematic for him because his various patches, etc. vary a lot, and really just have to be "ridden" by the sound guy/gal. it hasn't been a problem for me, but it could be, and certainly could be for other bassists. I suppose if the tonebone was a stereo/2 channel DI with the option to switch between inputs, that would be closer to optimal. Good food for thought.
 
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Loring said:
DI out is preamp only. aux in bypasses preamp so no... the other problem is - you would be balancing your bass input to match the other input instead of optimizing the gain structure on both. Also you would be taking away FOH control on balancing the different instruments. (what sounds good at 5 feet may not translate to the audience well).

If you could get the balance right and don't care about optimizing your stage volume for your bass...
What you really want is a second channel on the preamp. You could use a small mixer before the preamp stage to get around this but again your stage volume may not be optimized or your FOH may be compromised.
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Well ... all I can say is, it's working fine for me. That's my setup since several years. I don't want to route the FoH monitor signal through the preamp because the preamp is setup to process the bass signal. In almost any case I get my personal AUX/monitor channel from FoH mixer which is setup to my preference. All I need for the FoH monitor signal is a separate volume to adjust the monitor volume during the show. My stage amp/cab setup is normally not for the audience and is rather for the band and myself. I normally have the bass cab not facing towards the audience but rather to me. The FoH sound is done by the sound team. Based on my experience I rather tend to trust them and let them do their work.
 

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