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[Djadja]

Hey Genzler fam, I may be starting to do some bass tracking for my band’s DIY record tonight, and looking for a little advice about recording techniques.

My plan is to capture three bass tracks, one DI directly from the bass through a Radial JDI, one pre-EQ DI from my MG800, and one mic track out of my BA12-3s.

Mic wise, what do you all recommend? I mostly have dynamic mics (SM-58s and a couple of higher end vocal mics) to work with, as well as a condenser.

I think I would normally stick a dynamic mic in front of one of the woofers, but given the configuration of the array, I wonder if a condenser would be better?

Any thoughts about this, or any other advice?

you said three tracks and there has been I discussion of how to use three... if you have space and ability, do the two direct as you want plus two mics - one close and a second back a bit. if you have them, you can use them or not. if you dont have the track, you cant mix it in.
as for mics, you mentioned a few "higher end vocal mics." if you happen to have a large diameter dynamic, like a Heil PR35, try that. if not something like a Shure 57 or 58 is an old standby. Remember you're not recording a solo bass project...
I'm remembering your band sound is heavy and dense. I'm guessing you'll discover that less is more in the mix but again, it will be nice to play around and see what actually does work... and options are good to have.

 

[Loring]

whats in your signal chain that you want to remove?

 

[Discount Saint]

you said three tracks and there has been I discussion of how to use three... if you have space and ability, do the two direct as you want plus two mics - one close and a second back a bit. if you have them, you can use them or not. if you dont have the track, you cant mix it in.
as for mics, you mentioned a few "higher end vocal mics." if you happen to have a large diameter dynamic, like a Heil PR35, try that. if not something like a Shure 57 or 58 is an old standby. Remember you're not recording a solo bass project...
I'm remembering your band sound is heavy and dense. I'm guessing you'll discover that less is more in the mix but again, it will be nice to play around and see what actually does work... and options are good to have.

Just to be clear, I’m not limited to 3 tracks, that’s just the configuration I had originally come up with as it seemed to cover most of my tonal bases. Hadn’t considered a second mic for the room, but it’s definitely doable.

Mic wise, I’m not swimming in high end mics, but I do have one condenser (I thinks it’s a Sennheiser but I’m not sure), a number of SM58s, one SM57, and a set of drum mics at my disposal.

I’m open to renting or buying something better if need be.

 

[Discount Saint]

whats in your signal chain that you want to remove?

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This, basically, plus the drive channel from my Magellan. Most of the songs will be fairly straight forward; mostly distortion from the AOU or just the MG800 drive channel. A couple are denser fuzz sounds (either the Pork and Pickle or Blowtorch) with chorus, and I may use the Future Impact on one.

Because I use a lot of distortion and fuzz, there is always a challenge with preserve a thumpy low end hence the reason I’d like to have the clean track available to mix in.

 

[Discount Saint]

Mic wise, I’m not swimming in high end mics, but I do have one condenser (I thinks it’s a Sennheiser but I’m not sure)..

Apparently it is a Rode A2, and I know next to nothing about microphones

 

[Djadja]

Just to be clear, I’m not limited to 3 tracks, that’s just the configuration I had originally come up with as it seemed to cover most of my tonal bases. Hadn’t considered a second mic for the room, but it’s definitely doable.

Mic wise, I’m not swimming in high end mics, but I do have one condenser (I thinks it’s a Sennheiser but I’m not sure), a number of SM58s, one SM57, and a set of drum mics at my disposal.

I’m open to renting or buying something better if need be.

You may want to check out the kick drum mic... they often work well for bass cabs.

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[Modulus 96]

That article is a good one, I never knew singers and guitarists we're such a nuisance

I was looking at those right angle Speckon connectors and was tempted to get a few to try.

I just asked the Minister of Music how he thought those straight 1/4” are getting damage and said the monitors are getting dragged by the handle, which is on the opposite end of the cabinet from the plate.

Maybe moving the handle is in order, too!

Why has no one mentioned "stage hand training"? Tell the buggers to respect the equipment.

 

[jlepre]

I haven't posted here in a while, but wanted to relay my recent experience. I have been gigging my MG800 for the past few years, and love this head. Well one day I decided to try hooking up (3) 8ohm cabs for a large outdoor gig. Well I go to flip the switch on the back to 2.27 ohms, and low and behold...IT'S MISSING? Just an open hole where the switch should be.

So I reach out to @Jeff Genzler and he tells me to just ship the amp back to him. Mind you that it's out of warranty, so I send it off on a Wednesday. The following Friday, I have it back, as good as new! No charge. Well I did have to pay shipping to him, but he covered the return shipping.

What an amazing company. I have been using Jeff's amps and cabs since back in the Genz Benz days. I recommend them all the time.

Thanks Jeff.

 

[Bassworship1]

I haven't posted here in a while, but wanted to relay my recent experience. I have been gigging my MG800 for the past few years, and love this head. Well one day I decided to try hooking up (3) 8ohm cabs for a large outdoor gig. Well I go to flip the switch on the back to 2.27 ohms, and low and behold...IT'S MISSING? Just an open hole where the switch should be.

So I reach out to @Jeff Genzler and he tells me to just ship the amp back to him. Mind you that it's out of warranty, so I send it off on a Wednesday. The following Friday, I have it back, as good as new! No charge. Well I did have to pay shipping to him, but he covered the return shipping.

What an amazing company. I have been using Jeff's amps and cabs since back in the Genz Benz days. I recommend them all the time.

Thanks Jeff.

Doesn't surprise me in the least as he has always went above and beyond on here for his customers. Best bass amp Gear I've ever used.

 

[Holdsg]

echo that

 

[SteveC]

Jeff called me on a Saturday morning. That’s service!

 

[Discount Saint]

I haven't posted here in a while, but wanted to relay my recent experience. I have been gigging my MG800 for the past few years, and love this head. Well one day I decided to try hooking up (3) 8ohm cabs for a large outdoor gig. Well I go to flip the switch on the back to 2.27 ohms, and low and behold...IT'S MISSING? Just an open hole where the switch should be.

So I reach out to @Jeff Genzler and he tells me to just ship the amp back to him. Mind you that it's out of warranty, so I send it off on a Wednesday. The following Friday, I have it back, as good as new! No charge. Well I did have to pay shipping to him, but he covered the return shipping.

What an amazing company. I have been using Jeff's amps and cabs since back in the Genz Benz days. I recommend them all the time.

Thanks Jeff.

This is one of the things that I tell everybody about Genzler - not only is it absolutely top-notch gear, but the support behind it is second to none. I had a similar experience myself with a couple of the array drivers in one of my BA12-3s, and Jeff had replacements to me in no time. Hard to ask for better than that.

 

[staccatogrowl]

Jeff called me on a Saturday morning. That’s service!

One time Jeff called me to schedule a repair before I even knew my amp was broken. .

 

[Jeff Genzler]

One time Jeff called me to schedule a repair before I even knew my amp was broken. .

HA!!! That is a good one. Are we that connected to our gear that we can sense a failure before you do.

I will say that the times we've needed to jump into "Super-service" mode are pretty few and far between --- so our customers can get our best efforts at those times when it might be needed.

 

[Eddie LeBlanc]

HA!!! That is a good one. Are we that connected to our gear that we can sense a failure before you do.

I will say that the times we've needed to jump into "Super-service" mode are pretty few and far between --- so our customers can get our best efforts at those times when it might be needed.

Jeff... Guess you must got that stuff they call E, S, and P. LOL.

 

[rok51]

Jeff called me on a Saturday morning. That’s service!

Same here! What a wonderful guy and exceptional company...I really feel that we are all blessed to have the likes of Jeff and Andy behind us!

 

[Joeykun]

Nice outdoor show by the ocean. The Genzler MG800/BA410-3 rig does it all!

 

[Bassworship1]

Nice outdoor show by the ocean. The Genzler MG800/BA410-3 rig does it all!
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What a view.

 

[Smallmouth_Bass]

Nice outdoor show by the ocean. The Genzler MG800/BA410-3 rig does it all!
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What's under cover/stand?

 

[Joeykun]

What's under cover/stand?

A Genz Benz Uber 210. Always bring it. Never know when I may need to go 2.67ohms! If not it makes a great stand!