Speakon best way to go...here is why...Speakon vs Quarter Inch- What are the Benefits?
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Replacing a 45 degree angle plug with a 90 degree angle plug?
Right!! But the 45 degree is not by design!
I wouldn't be surprised if the 90 degree connect ends up being a 135 degree!
Thanks for your reply!
If this was my equipment and facilities, then I would go with Speakon and even change out the wall connectors with Speakon. This is an old church with other spending priorities, so I'm just trying to help it stay afloat until such time the audio system can really get a good make-over.
Switching to speakons (on cables anyways) is ridiculously easy. But if you would have to replace jacks and wall plates and such, it's probably a little more work.
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Thanks for your reply!
Sounds like a good thing to know when dealing with unwanted stage guests!
So, is it the amount of current running through speaker connectors that prevents instrument 1/4" connectors from being used? The reason I ask is the straight 1/4" connectors on the stage monitors at my church keeps getting bent and I think it's from either being used as a handle to help move the monitor or/and the ends are getting stepped on.
I can't seem to find right angle speaker connectors like I can right angle instrument cable connectors.
Yeah....I think people are mishandling the plugs on you monitors. Security is another plus to Speakon connectors; the don't get pulled out accidentally.
I don't think getting pulled out accidentally is the issue. They wouldn't get bent like they are from that. The 1/4" connectors being used are the huge ones and they are either getting stepped on or used as a handle to move the monitors. Replacing with Speakon may not prevent being stepped on nor misused as a handle, which are the main reasons I want to go with a smaller right angle 1/4" type. The only ones I seem to find are the smaller ones for instrument size cable.
I did remove a right angle 1/4" from another cable I've used on my pedal board and it does fit, but it's just a little tricky to solder and keep the insulation from melting.
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Right!
The connectors aren't that hard since it's just two wires, compared to soldering inside a bass electronics cavity. I usually touch a wire or two and have to apply electrical tape to cover the boo-boo. 
Speakon connectors are easier and I have used those in the past, but I don't think they will address the root issue and would cost more to keep replacing those.
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Some shots of my Genzler Rig at The Cabot Theater in Beverly MA!
Jeff Genzler
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Man you play some great rooms. I bet that rig really projects on those big stages. Enjoy it.
Amazing photos, makes me want to be there...I can feel the excitement as the audience files in and the bass fills the room...music, a real treat to the ears and souls...would love to see some shots some day of that beautiful purple Sadowsky...enjoy Joey!
As always, awesome!
Suggestion: Get Jeff to send you an MG800 shell with functional lights and stack it on your existing 800. That way there will be less “cognitive dissonance” from the audience who hear such large sounds coming out of your rig with such a small footprint amp!
You can get right angle Speakon - though they will stick out more than the 1/4”.Right!
Speakon connectors are easier and I have used those in the past, but I don't think they will address the root issue and would cost more to keep replacing those.
I am thinking they are rolling the cab onto its side whilst still plugged in...
I was looking at those right angle Speckon connectors and was tempted to get a few to try.
I just asked the Minister of Music how he thought those straight 1/4” are getting damage and said the monitors are getting dragged by the handle, which is on the opposite end of the cabinet from the plate.
Maybe moving the handle is in order, too!
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Hey Genzler fam, I may be starting to do some bass tracking for my band’s DIY record tonight, and looking for a little advice about recording techniques.
My plan is to capture three bass tracks, one DI directly from the bass through a Radial JDI, one pre-EQ DI from my MG800, and one mic track out of my BA12-3s.
Mic wise, what do you all recommend? I mostly have dynamic mics (SM-58s and a couple of higher end vocal mics) to work with, as well as a condenser.
I think I would normally stick a dynamic mic in front of one of the woofers, but given the configuration of the array, I wonder if a condenser would be better?
Any thoughts about this, or any other advice?
My plan is to capture three bass tracks, one DI directly from the bass through a Radial JDI, one pre-EQ DI from my MG800, and one mic track out of my BA12-3s.
Mic wise, what do you all recommend? I mostly have dynamic mics (SM-58s and a couple of higher end vocal mics) to work with, as well as a condenser.
I think I would normally stick a dynamic mic in front of one of the woofers, but given the configuration of the array, I wonder if a condenser would be better?
Any thoughts about this, or any other advice?
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Myself, I would use single DI feed and two mics. One close, and one to pick up some extra fullness in the room (experiment with distance from the cab.)
When you say a large diaphragm, does that imply a condenser? We have one of those at the moment, but I also do have an SM57. Maybe SM57 up close and condenser farther away?
I wanted the extra DI as well to capture a 100% dry signal to mix in with my effected tones.
Just my opinion, use the direct out from your amp and a good quality large diaphragm microphone (condenser or not) placed about 3' directly in front of the enclosure, mix to taste. Listen and adjust the placement of the microphone as needed. Keep it simple, should sound awesome. The signal from the amp should sound great by itself.
Mark
