Genzler Amplification Club

[agedhorse]

For the Magellan Pre pedal: the AUX in does not have a level control - is it set so that most input volumes will not distort? Or is there a range or limit of the signal it will receive well (controlled from the source)?

It will handle full line level, the volume is controlled by the source and also (of course) the master.

 

[rmars]

Just dropping in to say that after several years sans Genz/ler gear, and having divested of any cabs other than a pair of Barefaced 110s, I really wanted a larger stack for an upcoming gig in Feb (hobbyist - I have not played out in years).
In a YOLO moment I clicked on a NuClassic 112/210 stack. I had owned a bunch of G-B cabs in the past and the little Array 110 box. I am so glad I bit on the Nu Classics. We have a new drummer who had asked me for a louder, more authoritative rig. Based on memory, they sound almost exactly like the GB Neox series, with improved form factor. It felt good to bask in a bass bath again. Band is happy and so am I. That is all. Happy Monday

The Nu Classic 210/112 stack one of the set ups I’ve been telling my son to consider. Though I haven’t tried the Nu Classics years ago I did get to try a Berg 210/112 stack and it shocked me how much I liked that combo. It’s tall enough to hear it well, the 10’s are punchy and coupling it with the 112 extended the low end just perfectly. Congrats on the new cabs!

 

[lomo]

The Nu Classic 210/112 stack one of the set ups I’ve been telling my son to consider. Though I haven’t tried the Nu Classics years ago I did get to try a Berg 210/112 stack and it shocked me how much I liked that combo. It’s tall enough to hear it well, the 10’s are punchy and coupling it with the 112 extended the low end just perfectly. Congrats on the new cabs!

....and the bonus of using 2 different cabs that were made to play well together is that it actually provides 3 different options.

 

[Jamie Hale]

I have a question… I know this has been addressed before but I can’t find it. I want to use the Magellan 800 but only need to use one cabinet for the rehearsal space (drummer is using electronic drums and guitar is using a Quilter so I don’t have to compete). I have the BA12, or BA15, or the NC112 or NC210, but any of these is rated below the Magellan 800. How do I set the amp output to minimize danger to the cabinet?

 

[smogg]

I have a question… I know this has been addressed before but I can’t find it. I want to use the Magellan 800 but only need to use one cabinet for the rehearsal space (drummer is using electronic drums and guitar is using a Quilter so I don’t have to compete). I have the BA12, or BA15, or the NC112 or NC210, but any of these is rated below the Magellan 800. How do I set the amp output to minimize danger to the cabinet?

All of your cabs are 8 ohm cabs. If you only connect one cab to the amp it will see an 8 ohm load. The amp puts out 400w @ 8 ohms. You don't need to "set" anything. Just plug -n- play. Don't dime the bass control and/or volume and you'll be fine.

 

[Jeff Genzler]

@Jamie Hale --- I could assist. If you're using any of the forementioned cabs, I don't see you having any issues with using a single 8 ohm cabinet rated at 300 - 400 watts with the MG-800 that would deliver 400W at 8 ohms. Any of these would easily handle this output from the amp. Frankly I usually prefer using an amp at a higher power rating than the cabinets.
The use you're describing should be just fine with a single cab.
Looks like you have a few great cabinets as options. Depending upon how large a cab you might want to use, I think the NC-210T might be a cool option for this, unless you want something smaller, like the BA12-3 or NC-112T. Hope this helps.

 

[Holdsg]

I use the Mag 800 head and the single BA12-3 in numerous low-volume settings, and it's also my go-to upright rig.
Playing behind acoustic instruments, like singer/songwriter or bluegrass, all with excellent results. no hesitation to recommend that pair for that setting.

 

[rmars]

....and the bonus of using 2 different cabs that were made to play well together is that it actually provides 3 different options.

That too! He plays metal with one band an has been doing a Latin/jazz with some other guys. I keep seeing him haul his bulky Fender Rumble 150 combo to his car thru the Iowa snow just to go to jazz practice. That 28 lbs NC-112T with his MG-800 would be a sweet rig for his jazz band and so much less struggle.

 

[Modulus 96]

So I have a show tomorrow, 2nd of a 3 band bill. Opening bassist is also in the closing band. He offered his mark bass rig as it will be on stage all night. That's fine, there's supposed to be a snow storm tomorrow . So, if his rig is a combo and I want to use my Magellan head as a preamp do I plug the Magellan effect loop send into the loop return on the combo?

 

[Holdsg]

even if it's a combo, I bet there is an auxiliary input into the speaker cabinet alone (not thru the MB head part of the combo), so I'd use my Mag head and plug into his MB combo at the speaker only.

I do that all the time with backlined cabinets (bypassing the head, go right to the cones) where they are provided to me by the venues or whatever. make sure your impedance switch is set according to the impedance of the speakers you are using.

I especially like the Mag 800 into a backlined SVT fridge 8-10. sounds sublime.

 

[agedhorse]

So I have a show tomorrow, 2nd of a 3 band bill. Opening bassist is also in the closing band. He offered his mark bass rig as it will be on stage all night. That's fine, there's supposed to be a snow storm tomorrow . So, if his rig is a combo and I want to use my Magellan head as a preamp do I plug the Magellan effect loop send into the loop return on the combo?

The effects loop on MB amps is internally jumpered to series or parallel, shipped from the factory in parallel mode. This means that the blend or mix control needs to be in the full wet position (or whatever MB calls it).

If there is an aux input on that model, it might be an easier option.

 

[Cazman]

I use the Mag 800 head and the single BA12-3 in numerous low-volume settings, and it's also my go-to upright rig.
Playing behind acoustic instruments, like singer/songwriter or bluegrass, all with excellent results. no hesitation to recommend that pair for that setting.

Same setup, only with a 4 piece rock band. Plenty there to push. If outdoors I’ll add a 2nd 12-3.
It’s all goodness.

 

[brocco]

even if it's a combo, I bet there is an auxiliary input into the speaker cabinet alone (not thru the MB head part of the combo), so I'd use my Mag head and plug into his MB combo at the speaker only.

I do that all the time with backlined cabinets (bypassing the head, go right to the cones) where they are provided to me by the venues or whatever. make sure your impedance switch is set according to the impedance of the speakers you are using.

I especially like the Mag 800 into a backlined SVT fridge 8-10. sounds sublime.
Agreed played my 800 thru my Heritage 810 recently, on break a bass player friend of mine came up with a stunned look on his face and said man what amp is that? Of course I said the last one I will ever buy ha! Since then I bought the BA210-3SLT which is amazing probably will keep the 810 but maybe not.

 

[Midwesterner]

I had a question about my Magellan 350 AUX IN jack. I am wanting to try out some different DI boxes, but wasn't clear from reading the owner's manual how or if the output from the DI box would be colored by the 350 when using the AUX IN. Also, if I ran a DI box into the AUX IN & then plugged headphones in the PHONES jack, would I just be hearing a DI BOX tone directly or the 350 & DI Box tones combined?

I'm the first to admit that I don't always grasp the finer points of signal chain/flow, so I apologize if this is a dumb &/or obvious question!

 

[GtenderG]

I had a question about my Magellan 350 AUX IN jack. I am wanting to try out some different DI boxes, but wasn't clear from reading the owner's manual how or if the output from the DI box would be colored by the 350 when using the AUX IN. Also, if I ran a DI box into the AUX IN & then plugged headphones in the PHONES jack, would I just be hearing a DI BOX tone directly or the 350 & DI Box tones combined?

I would go from the DI box into the ‘Return’ of the effects loop. You’d be hearing only the DI box.

 

[Midwesterner]

I would go from the DI box into the ‘Return’ of the effects loop. You’d be hearing only the DI box.

Unfortunately, the 350 doesn’t a FX loop or that would definitely be the way to go.

 

[agedhorse]

Most DI's are balanced and mic (to barely line) level, yet the aux inputs and effects returns are full line level. This creates one problem of level matching.

The other issue is, depending on the specific DI architecture, the method of unbalancing the DI. Some can simply use an adapter, some require specific wiring to accomplish this. An additional issue of aux inputs that have stereo to mono conversion is that a balanced line will be mostly cancelled by the summing circuit, resulting in very low levels with extremely thin bass.

 

[Midwesterner]

I know one of the DI’s I have my eye on has a 1/4” unbalanced output jack that is mono. This what I found about the 1/4” output jack if it sheds any light on things:

• Output Impedance (1/4” output): 2kΩ single ended (@30hz)

 

[agedhorse]

I know one of the DI’s I have my eye on has a 1/4” unbalanced output jack that is mono. This what I found about the 1/4” output jack if it sheds any light on things:

• Output Impedance (1/4” output): 2kΩ single ended (@30hz)

Do you know what the maximum output level is? That's the important information that's missing.

 

[Midwesterner]

Do you know what the maximum output level is? That's the important information that's missing.

Here’s the reply I got from the builder:

The maximum output level of the 1/4” jack is actually very high, but the practical maximum will depend on the input signal plus the gain through the unit.

I usually figure 0.15Vrms as the peak output level of a passive bass (this is probably slightly conservative), and I typically measure 19-20dB of gain through the preamp at max volume with a flat EQ. Let’s calculate the output this way:
0.15Vrms is equivalent to -14dBu, plus 19dB gain through the preamp, results in 5dBu at output, which is 1.4Vrms. The EQ is boosting so you could possibly add another 6dB of gain at typical settings (up to 18/20dB boost bass/treble at extreme settings) but I’d say you could easily expect to hit 1.4Vrms if you’re looking for a minimum maximum level (haha).

I think the maximum input level for the preamp (prior to clipping) is probably around 2.3Vrms, which is equivalent to 9.5dBu, plus 19dB gain through the preamp, results in 28.5dBu at output, which is 20.6Vrms. This is likely far higher than you would ever need, but to get this level of output you would need to run at least 20dB gain in front of the preamp.

Does that makes sense? The 1/4” output should have enough gain to drive most power amps quite well, if that’s what you have in mind.

I intended the 1/4” output to run to an amp (unity gain is around 11-12 o’clock on the volume knob) with the XLR output going to a console or soundboard, but have seen studio guys running 1/4” straight into their converters and using the XLR output to feed an amp with an XLR to 1/4” cable. That works great too!