Genzler Amplification Club

[Loring]

Thank you !! Unfortunately I don't have the budget for the ba12, I'm thinking about the HARTKE hd112, would you have any advice about that ?

None - haven’t played it. Back in the 80’s I pined for their 410 to use with my trace Elliot but I’m not familiar with todays offerings. Again if you can try it yourself - best answer. What pushes my buttons may not work for your taste or playing style.

 

[edwinhurwitz]

Great stuff! We are indeed in the same registers for much of the medley, though I'm doing more of the ghost notes, runs and fills and he is sticking to the main parts (Michael Jackson/Blame it on the Boogie, EWF / September, Chicago/Get Away).

Think if I use high-pass filtering and watch our lows, we'll be ok?

I've had a lot of fun with dual basses! This wasn't cover music but originals.

 

[RocketMusic]

Great stuff! We are indeed in the same registers for much of the medley, though I'm doing more of the ghost notes, runs and fills and he is sticking to the main parts (Michael Jackson/Blame it on the Boogie, EWF / September, Chicago/Get Away).

Think if I use high-pass filtering and watch our lows, we'll be ok?

You'll be more than OK. It's a joyous occasion, and the audience goodwill will be pretty much impossible to squander. The only one concerned about the bass tone... will probably be you.

I hope it's awesome. Best of luck!

 

[RocketMusic]

Great stuff! We are indeed in the same registers for much of the medley, though I'm doing more of the ghost notes, runs and fills and he is sticking to the main parts (Michael Jackson/Blame it on the Boogie, EWF / September, Chicago/Get Away).

Think if I use high-pass filtering and watch our lows, we'll be ok?

This reminds me of when I was 14 or 15. I hadn't been playing bass but 6 months or so. My Dad was in the Navy, and my first bass teacher was in a band that had a gig at the O'Club some weeknight. I think I could pretty much fake my way through the song "Kansas City" at that point, but that was about it. My teacher knew we lived on the Navy base, so he said come on out to the O'Club and bring your parents. At some point in the night, he pulled me up on stage, handed me his bass, called "Kansas City" and then walked away. Petrified, I got through the song pretty well. Then I looked around to give the guy his bass back... he was nowhere to be found. I ended up sitting in for another 3-4 songs before he finally relieved me.

I have no idea what kind of bass I played or what amp I was plugged into, but that is definitely one of my strongest memories from childhood. I was terrified, I was thrilled, and I felt accomplished when it was all over. Enough to stick with happily playing bass all these 35+ years later. I wish the same for your young man.

 

[Jeff Genzler]

Does the mg 800 go down to 2ohms?

Yes, you can, especially if using Genzler cabs. A couple of players tour and use the MG800 to run dual 4 ohm SVT backlined cabs without issues.

 

[Parzival]

Yes, you can, especially if using Genzler cabs. A couple of players tour and use the MG800 to run dual 4 ohm SVT backlined cabs without issues.

I currently have a Mesa D800 and it will run my 2 4ohm cabs at 2ohms. I need to get another amp as I don’t have a backup. The MG800 is high on my list, but it does say 2.67 ohms on the back. That would be a concern if I ever wanted to run both cabs.

 

[Holdsg]

Seems like the boss has given you the green light on that.

 

[Lonnybass]

This reminds me of when I was 14 or 15. I hadn't been playing bass but 6 months or so. My Dad was in the Navy, and my first bass teacher was in a band that had a gig at the O'Club some weeknight. I think I could pretty much fake my way through the song "Kansas City" at that point, but that was about it. My teacher knew we lived on the Navy base, so he said come on out to the O'Club and bring your parents. At some point in the night, he pulled me up on stage, handed me his bass, called "Kansas City" and then walked away. Petrified, I got through the song pretty well. Then I looked around to give the guy his bass back... he was nowhere to be found. I ended up sitting in for another 3-4 songs before he finally relieved me.

I have no idea what kind of bass I played or what amp I was plugged into, but that is definitely one of my strongest memories from childhood. I was terrified, I was thrilled, and I felt accomplished when it was all over. Enough to stick with happily playing bass all these 35+ years later. I wish the same for your young man.

Love this story! And thank you for the kind wishes. I hope our little guy sticks with it as long as you (and me!).

 

[groovaholic]

Just ordered the NC-212T cabinet…I've been running 2 Steel Sound 2x12s (SS long defunct).

I remember SteelSound from when I lived in Denver!

IIRC, some of their cabinets were built well, and others were particleboard junk…

Even if the SS box was good, the level of audio engineering in the Genzler cab will be several levels above SteelSound’s approach.

 

[Loring]

I currently have a Mesa D800 and it will run my 2 4ohm cabs at 2ohms. I need to get another amp as I don’t have a backup. The MG800 is high on my list, but it does say 2.67 ohms on the back. That would be a concern if I ever wanted to run both cabs.

Yeah - that was Jeff GENZLER telling you, you’re good to go…

 

[Gerry Devine]

I am currently of two minds I have the Magellan 350 with the BA110-2 - wanting to add a second cab and not sure if the best option is the series 2 BA110 or is the smarter move to go to the BA12-3 as the second cab? My OCD is telling me to go the S2 10 but not sure. Just looking to maximise the 350’s abilities and have the flexibility of doing smaller gigs and rooms with the setup. Experienced thoughts on this? Being in Australia I don’t have the ability to try both as you buy unseen from the distributor bass gear direct who are fantastic and super helpful.

 

[Michael Vee]

I am currently of two minds I have the Magellan 350 with the BA110-2 - wanting to add a second cab and not sure if the best option is the series 2 BA110 or is the smarter move to go to the BA12-3 as the second cab? My OCD is telling me to go the S2 10 but not sure. Just looking to maximise the 350’s abilities and have the flexibility of doing smaller gigs and rooms with the setup.

Gerry, this is right up my alley! I have the 10-2 combo also, and was in the same decision-making as you about the second cab. After talking with Jeff and others, I went with a second 10-2 cabinet so the capabilities of the cabs are the same, plus it matches up visually.

If you've gigged your combo, you know how much sound that little thing puts out. With the second 10-2, you're getting twice as much. The full 350 watts and the doubling of volume with two cabs. It is a whole lot of sound. The 12-3 cab is rated to go lower, but I'm not sure in most situations it'd be a noticeable difference, especially if you're like me and try to rein in the lows with a HPF pedal or roll off a bit of the bass control.

Although I may still try a 12-3 in the future, I am very happy with the second 10-2. I play lower volume gigs and probably will mostly play the combo by itself, but I wanted the second cab to have that extra volume capability when I need it. If you have other questions, or would want to see a pic of the stack, let me know.

On a side note, @MaxSpinrun has let me know that we actually have a Genzler dealer here in KnoxVeegas - Lane Music - and I may be going over there this month to try out the 15-3 they have in stock. I might go with a single 15-3 for bigger gigs.. or just because I'm really curious about what that cab is like.

 

[Gerry Devine]

Gerry, this is right up my alley! I have the 10-2 combo also, and was in the same decision-making as you about the second cab. After talking with Jeff and others, I went with a second 10-2 cabinet so the capabilities of the cabs are the same, plus it matches up visually.

If you've gigged your combo, you know how much sound that little thing puts out. With the second 10-2, you're getting twice as much. The full 350 watts and the doubling of volume with two cabs. It is a whole lot of sound. The 12-3 cab is rated to go lower, but I'm not sure in most situations it'd be a noticeable difference, especially if you're like me and try to rein in the lows with a HPF pedal or roll off a bit of the bass control.

Although I may still try a 12-3 in the future, I am very happy with the second 10-2. I play lower volume gigs and probably will mostly play the combo by itself, but I wanted the second cab to have that extra volume capability when I need it. If you have other questions, or would want to see a pic of the stack, let me know.

On a side note, @MaxSpinrun has let me know that we actually have a Genzler dealer here in KnoxVeegas - Lane Music - and I may be going over there this month to try out the 15-3 they have in stock. I might go with a single 15-3 for bigger gigs.. or just because I'm really curious about what that cab is like.

Thanks heaps for that Michael- think I will go the second ten as it will satisfy my OCD

 

[SteveC]

Or get an MG112T-V like I did.

 

[Michael Vee]

Thanks heaps for that Michael- think I will go the second ten as it will satisfy my OCD

Or get an MG112T-V like I did.

Yeah, I was a bit OCD about the cab dimensions and different mid-driver sizes myself. The Series 2 10-2 is a tremendous little performer and two of them are probably sufficient for most non-metal bands that play at nominal volumes.

SteveC did the other approach of the three, a single-cab solution for larger gigs. It's also a different voicing than the BA's and a one-hand carry.

The downside is that unless you do the unscrewing to get the Magellan 350 head out of the 10-2 combo cradle, to mount it into a 112 cradle, you need a separate head. I have not told Jeff this yet, but I preferred the large knobscrews on the Shuttle combos- you can get those heads out of the Shuttle cradles more readily and no screwdriver is required. That's a minor niggle, though. If you don't gig often, it's not that big of a deal to get the 350 out of the 10-2 and into another cradle (or onto a separate cab like the 12-3.)

Again, though, the easiest way to go is the second 10-2 cab, then you just leave the 350 in its cradle and stack the cabs. Looks good and sounds terrific.

 

[SteveC]

To clarify, I only have the MG112 T-V cab so I’m not re-cradling my head. I also think the 112 is actual easier to carry than the 110. Call me crazy.

 

[Michael Vee]

To clarify, I only have the MG112 T-V cab so I’m not re-cradling my head. I also think the 112 is actual easier to carry than the 110. Call me crazy.

So you have a separate 350 that isn't part of a 10-2 combo. I didn't realize that. Since there is no cover for the 112 combo, so you're carrying a separate 350 head in its carry bag, and then the 112 in its slip cover.

I have the big Genzler carry bag for the 10-2 combo, but asked Tuki about doing a "hat" cover for it with a cutout for the cabinet handle. They said no. If you wanted to cradle the head with your 112, you might find someone, if not Tuki, to do a "hat" cover for it. I got one for my Shuttle 9.2/12T combo years ago, but I don't remember who made that one.

 

[Jeff Genzler]

I currently have a Mesa D800 and it will run my 2 4ohm cabs at 2ohms. I need to get another amp as I don’t have a backup. The MG800 is high on my list, but it does say 2.67 ohms on the back. That would be a concern if I ever wanted to run both cabs.

PM

So you have a separate 350 that isn't part of a 10-2 combo. I didn't realize that. Since there is no cover for the 112 combo, so you're carrying a separate 350 head in its carry bag, and then the 112 in its slip cover.

I have the big Genzler carry bag for the 10-2 combo, but asked Tuki about doing a "hat" cover for it with a cutout for the cabinet handle. They said no. If you wanted to cradle the head with your 112, you might find someone, if not Tuki, to do a "hat" cover for it. I got one for my Shuttle 9.2/12T combo years ago, but I don't remember who made that one.

@Michael Vee ---we can do a cover for this small combo with a pouch that goes over the amp head and a handle cutoff to grab the cabinet handle. It is a custom thing and can be done in a few days.

 

[SteveC]

So you have a separate 350 that isn't part of a 10-2 combo. I didn't realize that. Since there is no cover for the 112 combo, so you're carrying a separate 350 head in its carry bag, and then the 112 in its slip cover.

I have the big Genzler carry bag for the 10-2 combo, but asked Tuki about doing a "hat" cover for it with a cutout for the cabinet handle. They said no. If you wanted to cradle the head with your 112, you might find someone, if not Tuki, to do a "hat" cover for it. I got one for my Shuttle 9.2/12T combo years ago, but I don't remember who made that one.

I have 1 MG350 cradled on an MG112T-V cab. No cover. I just take it like that. I rarely use an amp anymore as I’m DI/IEM for almost everything I do. The amp gets used for jazz gigs, theatre shows maybe, and for my son to practice at home.

 

[Michael Vee]

PM

@Michael Vee ---we can do a cover for this small combo with a pouch that goes over the amp head and a handle cutoff to grab the cabinet handle. It is a custom thing and can be done in a few days.

Jeff- I definitely would be interested in that cover. Let's talk further.

The carry bag is wonderful, just a bit bulky for some of the grab and go playing that I do.