Genzler Amplification Club

[RocketMusic]

What are the black things in between the strings at the headstock of the Jazz Bass (at the beginning of the video)?

Sort of looks like foam, like he's trying to mute the strings beyond the nut?

 

[Joeykun]

Had band practice tonight and took the BA2-410-3 out for a spin. Played 3 notes and my drummer noticed the difference right away. These Series 2 cabs make a statement. More to come!

 

[edwinhurwitz]

Had band practice tonight and took the BA2-410-3 out for a spin. Played 3 notes and my drummer noticed the difference right away. These Series 2 cabs make a statement. More to come!
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Did you have series 1 4x10?

 

[Timothy Brosnan]

Genzler Magellan 800

Used Genz Benz GB210T-XB3

This thing kicks big time!! The cabinet may not be a lightweight, but it’s still very manageable. I get all the power I’ll need into an 8 ohm load, so I won’t have to work it too hard, and if for some reason I ever needed a little more, it’s there, by hooking up another cabinet.

Why not a new Genzler cab? Money. They’re a little beyond my budget at this time, but I still have a Genzler product, to go with that Magellan 800.

Pictures to come.

 

[Joeykun]

Did you have series 1 4x10?

Yes, I have the following. All Series 1:

1) BA410-3
2) BA210-3 SLT
3) BA15-3 SLT

On Saturday I will be using both Series 1 & 2 BA410-3 cabs to compare. I’ll have a full gig report on that!

 

[Jamvan]

On Saturday I will be using both Series 1 & 2 BA410-3 cabs to compare. I’ll have a full gig report on that!

No need. We’ll hear you.

We’ll ALL hear you!

 

[ShadowGroover]

Overall product availability due to component pricing and/or availability, other supply chain issues, and shipping costs/constraints? Welcome to today's product manufacturing environment.

It's not as if companies have endless finished products in warehouses, ready to ship for the next many years, in perpetuity. Even if true, competition is not static.

Instead, companies make quantified production runs, scaled for sale over a certain time period. Companies stay in business when their products sell according to anticipated market projections. They continue production runs to fill orders.

That Genzler has adjusted products to continue availability and supply is a great thing! That they have incorporated component technology to improve their design? It's what companies do to survive, and hopefully thrive.

All one has to do to trust evolution of a Genzler product is to look at its legacy products. For example, Genz Benz cabinets and amps from many years ago are highly regarded and sought after, long past their production lives.

I am confident the same will hold true for Genzler products. I am fortunate to use Genzler, and believe the Series 1 products will stand the test of time, just like Genz Benz. Series 1 cabinets are just the most recent case in point.

The Series 2 evolution products can be viewed as a supplement to Series 1 in rig expansion, or excellent standalone products. And, the continuance of the Genzler product line itself, with existing and new products is major cause for celebration.

Long live Genzler (person and company) and all of their products!

 

[Jeff Genzler]

@ShadowGroover -- very kind comments. Thank you for posting and for using our gear.

 

[Todd Larson]

@ShadowGroover -- very kind comments. Thank you for posting and for using our gear.

Totally satisfied with my series 1 350 and 2x BA 10-2 stack. Who knows? Maybe in years to come these will achieve “vintage collectable” status for those seeking a particular sound?

 

[SteveC]

I'll kind of repeat myself, but when you are comparing gear of this quality, the difference would maybe be obvious side by side, but if you played one cab at a gig and then a couple weeks later played the "better" version of that cab, they would both sound awesome to you. You may hear a difference but it'll still be just a variation of great.

REDDI or Khan.
Cali or Empress.

They are all variations of great and unless you have a reason to change - weight, you want 10's instead of 12's - there's probably really no NEED to change. I/we sometimes learn the hard way that what we had/have was/is not just good enough but really good.

 

[Timothy Brosnan]

I have no plans to change from the Genzler/Genz Benz gear I recently acquired.

 

[MaxSpinrun]

I agree wholeheartedly! For me it’s hard to imagine an improvement in sound quality for my BA15-3, it sounds that good to me. It will be interesting to hear comments by @Joeykun comments after his comparison of gen1 and gen2 cabs Saturday. My guess it’s splitting hairs.

 

[edwinhurwitz]

@ShadowGroover I agree completely. I am a beta tester for Metric Halo and when the AKM chip factory burned down, they had to revise the design of their interfaces and what they came up with was better, but the original version is still excellent. In a finished album, you'd likely never know the difference.

 

[3rdcurve]

If I may put this out into the universe…. It would be amazing if Jeff would introduce a BA210-2 vertical cab with side handles. I’m sure it could come in under 40lbs. You could stack 2 for a tall/small footprint stack with no need for a slant, or pair it with the 10-2 on top or bottoms for slant action.

 

[Loring]

That’d be a lot of tweeters though…

 

[3rdcurve]

That’d be a lot of tweeters though…

No more than 2 single cabs

 

[groovaholic]

It would be amazing if Jeff would introduce a BA210-2 vertical cab with side handles.

I'm a big fan of vertically-oriented cabinets; with mere mortal cabinets, vertical orientation minimizes comb-filtering and increases intelligibility on stage.
I've gone so far as to modify 4x10 cabinets for ".5 alignment" to reduce that comb filtering; it really helps, but you lose some sensitivity in the midrange.

The BA cabs are whole different ballgame. Given the pedigree, I think it's safe to assume they've already incorporated solid acoustical engineering into the design and executed it in a much more sophisticated manner than my basement modifications.

For instance, the BA's use of cone midrange/tweeters already permits a much lower crossover frequency than the haphazard "just add a tweeter" approach that was typical in the 90s and 00s.

Then, placing those mid/hi drivers in a vertical column clearly shows that controlled dispersion was designed and built into these cabs from the very start.

Since the acoustical benefits of vertical have already been considered and improved, the only remaining benefit would be to make the cabs easier to carry through a door or place on a crowded stage.

But I'm betting that the way these cabs are designed is the way that they sound best.

 

[3rdcurve]

Aside from the easy carry it would also take up less floor space (good for the smaller stages that I am found on), but also get the sound closer to you ears instead of firing at your knees. I know the BA designs are leaps and bounds better for self monitoring than your standard design speaker in a box, but having a taller stack helps to hear yourself when you need to keep your volume in check.

I'm a big fan of vertically-oriented cabinets; with mere mortal cabinets, vertical orientation minimizes comb-filtering and increases intelligibility on stage.
I've gone so far as to modify 4x10 cabinets for ".5 alignment" to reduce that comb filtering; it really helps, but you lose some sensitivity in the midrange.

The BA cabs are whole different ballgame. Given the pedigree, I think it's safe to assume they've already incorporated solid acoustical engineering into the design and executed it in a much more sophisticated manner than my basement modifications.

For instance, the BA's use of cone midrange/tweeters already permits a much lower crossover frequency than the haphazard "just add a tweeter" approach that was typical in the 90s and 00s.

Then, placing those mid/hi drivers in a vertical column clearly shows that controlled dispersion was designed and built into these cabs from the very start.

Since the acoustical benefits of vertical have already been considered and improved, the only remaining benefit would be to make the cabs easier to carry through a door or place on a crowded stage.

But I'm betting that the way these cabs are designed is the way that they sound best.

 

[Joeykun]

It will be interesting to hear comments by @Joeykun comments after his comparison of gen1 and gen2 cabs Saturday. My guess it’s splitting hairs.

I actually did a side by side comparison of Series 1 & 2 BA15-3 SLT cabs back in the end of Feb.

There is a bump of the upper mids with the Series 2 drivers that give that cab more high end up top. Still has that amazing punch and focus (that most 15” cabs can’t deliver) but with more presence if you will. Combined with the Series 2 cab on top, was simply amazing.

Talking with Jeff, seems the bump is in that 1000Hz area. I never felt the BA cabs lacked high end. They have a smoother top. Series 2 brings more presence into the picture.

I won’t be changing my BA15-3 SLT. But, we’ll see what happens with the BA2-410-3 tomorrow night!!

 

[Loring]

No more than 2 single cabs

That is true - more cost in material and more cost of engineering. But yes it would be cool.