edwinhurwitz
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I wonder if the new drivers are retrofittable to the series I cabs.
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Genzler Amplification Club
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Of course with the updated power handing, I can only be left to wonder if a new head is in the works…
Joeykun
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I have had the pleasure to demo the BA2-15-3 SLT and the BA2-410-3. Start saving!! These new Series 2 cabs give you that extra top end without a tweeter. These cabs have more of an open sound while still delivering the focused tone we all love from our Genzler cabs! Plus, reduced weight!
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Joeykun
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New array speakers due to supply. Jeff will be here soon with all the info on these cabs. Having A/B Series 1/Series 2, these new arrays bring new life to already stellar cabs!
Is there any stability issues with running a triple SLT stack? Jeff doesn't offer a 10-2 STR, and I really want a 3rd cab. Or, if I went with a 12-3 STR, would there be any issues (phase / combing / just not sound as good as a matching 3rd 10-2)?
How old is the design of the Magellan heads? It's been eight years? More?
Everyone loves the Magellan heads, so there's no real need to improve on them. But.. we saw back in the Genz-Benz days how Jeff likes to stir the product lineup pot occasionally. It's good for sales, too!
3rdcurve- I would have gotten a 10-2 STR instead of the second SLT, had one been available. It's been a while back, but I asked Jeff if he had any plans to offer 10-2 and 15-3 in straights and he said no. I'd say others have also asked the same.
The cabinet angles are about the same as on the 12-3 SLTs, and we've certainly seen those 3-high before. I've been impressed how well the combo stays on the extension cab. It doesn't want to slide around at all, a good combination of the cab feet rubber compound and the moderately rough-textured Tolex. I've played the 2-high stack pretty loudly, and it didn't budge. Now 3-high might be different, with the 10-2 cabs being lighter.
One could always put some kind of wedge under the rear of the bottom cabinet to reduce the total angle up top. A stack shim! (I got that analogy from Stew-Mac advertising neck shims today, and spending some time watching the videos
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The cab dimensions haven't changed, but it's likely that the port tunings have. Definitely a Jeff question. I wouldn't see Jeff selling them for retrofits, but I remember asking him about the 10-2 S2 drivers and he said they were stock Ciares. You could get drivers for retrofit directly from Ciare retailers in that case.
Jeff Genzler
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@rowsi --- this is a very fair question and we totally expected this.
We have always felt that the current Bass Array cabs have always been the pinnacle of bass cabinet design. We would only make a change if we felt we could advance the design to the next level.
In todays manufacturing enviornment, and with the challenges experienced with supply and costs of premium loudspeakers over the past couple of years, we could not stand still.
As we developed the SERIES 2 of the tiny BA10-2-S2 cabinet we felt we could make similar changes with our larger models.
After extensive design and testing, we settled upon a new mix of Neodymium woofers and 3" full range speakers that really took what we first developed with the BA cabs, and added even more value to what they offer ----- lighter-weight, higher power handling, extended tonal response, inclreased clarity, etc.
It is hard to take a known and respected product and change it, but again we felt in the long run we've advanced the design to the NEXT LEVEL and created even more value to the player.
AND we remain extremely proud of every BA we've created over the years. If you have a current BA cab and love your tone, there is no reason to go out and change. But if you find yourself wanting a Bass Array cabinet today or in the future, we've got you covered, still.....
And the old and new play very well together.
I hope this is helpful. And if anyone has more questions, please feel free to email or PM me.
One could always put some kind of wedge under the rear of the bottom cabinet to reduce the total angle up top. A stack shim! (I got that analogy from Stew-Mac advertising neck shims today, and spending some time watching the videos
Shame Jeff's not offering a 10-2 STR.
However, great minds think alike as I had also thought about a small cabinet riser with enough angle to offset the 3rd cab and raise the whole stack just a bit. Possibly coated in duratex with sorbothane feet.
EDIT: Just nabbed Greg's last (for the moment) 10-2 to complete the triple stack. Stoked!
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Greg Bump Is The Man. I'm so glad he's gotten reinvolved here in the big Genzler thread.
Jeff, per Edwin's earlier inquiry, did the Series 2 redesigns include changes in the port tunings?
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Joeykun
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No issues with 3 SLT cabs stacked. But that would be the max. Also, all the cabs play nice together. So, no issues with that either. Grab a 3rd Series 2 cab and slay away!
That sounds about right - I think the Magellan came out in 2015 or 2016.
I demo’ed one in 2016 and really liked it - but it was a few years before I was able to try it with my bass and my cabs and see how well it suited me.
For general use with a 350@4ohms class D amp, which of these two 8 ohm cabs would you pick:
BA12-3 (orig)
BA12-3 SLT
Contrary to several opinions, while these two can be mixed to good advantage, I unfortunately dislike the two mixed, so if I were to keep only one... which?
BA12-3 (orig)
BA12-3 SLT
Contrary to several opinions, while these two can be mixed to good advantage, I unfortunately dislike the two mixed, so if I were to keep only one... which?
Jeff Genzler
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A couple of the models have revised porting.
Thank you for saying this, Jeff. As someone with a full Genzler rig, my knee jerk reaction to this was admittedly negative:
“The one time I drop 4k on a full rig, they go and make it obsolete.”
Seeing this is more the result of a changing supply market than a full design overhaul encourages me. I greatly respect that you took that opportunity to further improve the functionality of your product without changing “too much.”
That all said, would you be able to comment on what players can expect tonally from the new gen vs. the old gen?
Ignorance is bliss! I often wish I didn't know about many new products because that's when I start second guessing what I have and thinking all the new stuff must be better. But that's not always the case. Now, I just try to be happy with what I have and if it's doing the job well, that should be enough.
We could all use more (or less) thinking and more playing. But it’s fun to ponder.
