Genzler Amplification Club

[Djadja]

Yes, brand new, I’m wondering a grounding issue something. I’m not sure not. It’s weird I don’t get that major buzzing or weak signal at all through my amp or cabs. Neither the bass into head an only di. But now the headphones out being so bad in two amps makes me wonder if there is relation to this and my sound issue past weekend. Idk if I mentioned I play this bar an I’ve had to dial out a my hot signal before but NEVER like this. But what I don’t get is what’s the headphones out telling me
About my bass or rig? Like I’m guessing it’s going off the pre amp an picks/ups? Man I feel like such a newb but like I’ve also never had this prob. I hope it’s just not “something” I’ll have to deal with in Spector euro basses

borrow another bass, plug in yours and see of you have the problem if so, swap to the borrowed bass and see of it goes away.

 

[agedhorse]

Yup… what I was thinking. It’s weird that both headphone outs are being weird. I mean as mentioned inknow the Spector Euro can be hot but this is weird a the clipping. Maybe the pickups or there is a grounding issue.

Stop guessing, it’s not getting you anywhere.

 

[PhishPhan22]

borrow another bass, plug in yours and see of you have the problem if so, swap to the borrowed bass and see of it goes away.

Yeah I’m talking it to the shop tomorrow jsut wanted to see if there was some reason why the cab would be silent the DI would be silent but then headphone out seemd to mock the issue I had with Pa. Granted it was much worse then it’s ever been so I’m hoping we just find a loose ground vs this will be my norm some
Shielding a maybe grounding maybe or idk it’s only the headphone out which is weird.

 

[PhishPhan22]

Not guessing tryin to learn I’m not like actively working on it I just like to learn gather info for next time
Plus learn to diagnose and fix for myself next time or help someone in similar minus normal maintenance an I guess some grounding issues proj happens to most basses over time through heavy use but when you pay that much I atleast get anxious.

plus maybe understand the relationship with a di an the headphone out an if it would relate to a Pa and not the cabs. It would save a lot of ripping an guessing in future but I get what you mean as well there are so many variables from simple to ugh lol

 

[agedhorse]

Maybe start with a basic electronics book?

 

[Loring]

Not guessing tryin to learn I’m not like actively working on it I just like to learn gather info for next time
Plus learn to diagnose and fix for myself next time or help someone in similar minus normal maintenance an I guess some grounding issues proj happens to most basses over time through heavy use but when you pay that much I atleast get anxious.

plus maybe understand the relationship with a di an the headphone out an if it would relate to a Pa and not the cabs. It would save a lot of ripping an guessing in future but I get what you mean as well there are so many variables from simple to ugh lol

eliminate your pedalboard first - check different instrument cables from your bass

Try a different bass. As Aged horse said - eliminate one thing at a time and eventually you will find the culprit. I had a similar situation and it ended up being a patch cable in my pedal board - too much pull on the cable and the ground broke off.

it can be time consuming but it isn’t difficult to isolate the problem if you go methodically.

 

[HoHumbucker]

eliminate your pedalboard first - check different instrument cables from your bass

Try a different bass. As Aged horse said - eliminate one thing at a time and eventually you will find the culprit. I had a similar situation and it ended up being a patch cable in my pedal board - too much pull on the cable and the ground broke off.

it can be time consuming but it isn’t difficult to isolate the problem if you go methodically.

OK, this is a place where I am not a noob. Start at one end of the chain. I would likely start with the bass.
1) try a different bass. Still there? keep going down the signal chain.
2) try the instrument cable. still there?
3) swap out your tuner (or whatever the first pedal is)
4) swap out the patch to the next cable
5) rinse, repeat.
Yeah, this takes time

The one time I ended up getting a hum was when I was using daisy chain power for my pedals. I went to an isolated block power supply and the problem went away. Now, I know that my town has notoriously crappy power delivery, so that same system might not have hummed if I were using the same daisy chain elsewhere.

 

[HoHumbucker]

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In relation to these posts, I just found a really wonderful combination that I hadn’t tried yet:
BA-110 Series 2 on top of
BA-210 SLT

The two complimented each other really really nicely, with a bigger bottom than two of the stacked single tens, with a fuller sound, and more growl and articulation than the BA-110 on top of the BA–112, which I also love… it was a bigger yet tighter low end, and the upright bass in particular sounded better with the set up.
I think the BA-110 and BA-112 is hard to beat for electric bass only, but this BA-110 on top of the BA-210 was better to my ears for upright.
So far, I think I’m finding that the BA–210 is the one I would keep if I could only have one for both electric and upright bass. I did try my brand new series 2
BA-410 and I will report more on that later… it needs some more time to break in and have my ears adjust. I will also report back after I have tried the series 2
BA-110 double stack… the series 2 10” driver has much more low end and I can’t wait to try out my new Acoustic Array Pro S2 combo when it comes next Wednesday!

Thanks for that. I was actually thinking that a BA-110, plus another BA-110, and then a BA-210. Four different set ups there for sure. I like the modularity in those for sure. That is a good chunk of change sitting around in amps, but that is still less than the last saxophone I bought.

 

[agedhorse]

For troubleshooting, first eliminate EVERYTHING except the bass, amp and cabinet and THEN if everything is good, start adding.

It’s a more direct way to get to the bottom of the cause(s), especially if it’s more than one thing.

 

[PhishPhan22]

OK, this is a place where I am not a noob. Start at one end of the chain. I would likely start with the bass.
1) try a different bass. Still there? keep going down the signal chain.
2) try the instrument cable. still there?
3) swap out your tuner (or whatever the first pedal is)
4) swap out the patch to the next cable
5) rinse, repeat.
Yeah, this takes time

The one time I ended up getting a hum was when I was using daisy chain power for my pedals. I went to an isolated block power supply and the problem went away. Now, I know that my town has notoriously crappy power delivery, so that same system might not have hummed if I were using the same daisy chain elsewhere.

Thank you for advice. So I checked all thts plus I’m just going through the headphone out. Nothing else. Which was weird. I’ve def gotten bad cables, pots, hot pup,
Al that. It just struck me as off that the DI an then Cabs are dead silent but the
Headphone out with its “cab sim” are horrible sounding . I just really wonder if that has something to do with why I was getting issues over PA as well. But idk if there is a connection to a headphone out an then the DI

 

[PhishPhan22]

For troubleshooting, first eliminate EVERYTHING except the bass, amp and cabinet and THEN if everything is good, start adding.

It’s a more direct way to get to the bottom of the cause(s), especially if it’s more than one thing.

Agreed I def found a bad patch in my chains. But I’m now going direct with a good
Cable into the headphone out. I wonder if it’s the bass in some weird way.

 

[Dan Robbins]

Pure sonic bliss:
BA2-410-3
BA-15-3
Magellan 800

I can’t imagine ever needing more power and speaker volume for the gigs I do or frankly anything when there’s sound reinforcement. The BA2-410-3 adds a little more punch as well as bottom and highs over the BA-210-3 and just more of everything when combined with the 15.
Back to playing, wow
EVERYTHING SET FLAT—nothing needs to be added or taken away. No contour.

 

[agedhorse]

Thank you for advice. So I checked all thts plus I’m just going through the headphone out. Nothing else. Which was weird. I’ve def gotten bad cables, pots, hot pup,
Al that. It just struck me as off that the DI an then Cabs are dead silent but the
Headphone out with its “cab sim” are horrible sounding . I just really wonder if that has something to do with why I was getting issues over PA as well. But idk if there is a connection to a headphone out an then the DI

Cab sim? Are you using a cab sim pedal with a headphone output?

Is it possible that your headphones are damaged, or that they are not capable of reproducing bass at the levels you need?

 

[Dan Robbins]

Cab sim? Are you using a cab sim pedal with a headphone output?

Is it possible that your headphones are damaged, or that they are not capable of reproducing bass at the levels you need?

Just a thought, and maybe you’ve already covered this, but it is possible that the impedance of those headphones just make them sound like crap-just a bad match with the Genzler’s headphone out impedance? I’ve experienced this before with certain gear. I’ve never actually tried the Genzler headphone out.

 

[Michael Vee]

Pure sonic bliss:
BA2-410-3 BA-15-3 Magellan 800

Want. All of us want.

 

[Loring]

What headphones? Are they gaming headphones that have an extra ring for the mic?

 

[agedhorse]

Just a thought, and maybe you’ve already covered this, but it is possible that the impedance of those headphones just make them sound like crap-just a bad match with the Genzler’s headphone out impedance? I’ve experienced this before with certain gear. I’ve never actually tried the Genzler headphone out.

Good question Dan. It's certainly possible, not just for impedance but for frequency response, sensitivity, maximum low frequency output level, etc.

 

[edwinhurwitz]

Awesome! Now the only thing you need is to double it for stereo!

Pure sonic bliss:
BA2-410-3
BA-15-3
Magellan 800View attachment 5161534
I can’t imagine ever needing more power and speaker volume for the gigs I do or frankly anything when there’s sound reinforcement. The BA2-410-3 adds a little more punch as well as bottom and highs over the BA-210-3 and just more of everything when combined with the 15.
Back to playing, wow
EVERYTHING SET FLAT—nothing needs to be added or taken away. No contour.

 

[PotsdamBass8]

So tonight I have an outdoor gig with my cover band where we are going to have to run our own sound. Usually we hire someone and they have 15 mains, 1-2 subs, etc. We have 15 mains but no subs, so I was wondering if it was a good idea or not to use my D800 and MG212T as the sub. As in, literally place it where we would keep the sub, and take the sun out from the mixer. Some additional details:

1) we run tracks, mic the drums, and like to carry the room with the PA. When I bring and amp it’s usually just for me to have some stage rumble

2) we all have IEMs

Since the designers of both the amp (@agedhorse ) and the cab (@Jeff Genzler ) frequent this page, I figured I’d ask here

 

[agedhorse]

If you choose to do so, use the effects return as the input since it’s line level.

I recommend using a healthy dose of common sense, it’s not what I would suggest as a suitable sub.