No, but have used 2 x 15s before, years ago, from a different mfg, and I really liked the sound from a pair of 15s for country. I’m sure, like you, it would be awesome.
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Spent a bit more time with the axe FX and BA410 playing around with sounds and having an impulse response vs not. For most bass amps, I’ve found an IR is not needed and sounds great with just an amp model straight into the BA410. This would be things like the Mesa 400 model, SVT model, etc. They play extremely well with the BA410 across a variety of tone settings and gain/drive levels and behave like a normal amp or preamp pedal.
The ones that seem to benefit for an IR are either guitar amps when used for bass or extreme distortion. A prime amp example is I really like using the Hiwatt DR103 model for bass, but it has a really pronounced top end that an IR rolls off in a really present way. And since it’s a passive tone stack, I won’t want to just drop the treble since that also changes the low end and midrange response. So using an IR can help chop off that top end in a pleasing way. I want to mess around with low pass filters and parametric EQs still though and see how those compare to IRs for taming the high end of guitar amps.
The ones that seem to benefit for an IR are either guitar amps when used for bass or extreme distortion. A prime amp example is I really like using the Hiwatt DR103 model for bass, but it has a really pronounced top end that an IR rolls off in a really present way. And since it’s a passive tone stack, I won’t want to just drop the treble since that also changes the low end and midrange response. So using an IR can help chop off that top end in a pleasing way. I want to mess around with low pass filters and parametric EQs still though and see how those compare to IRs for taming the high end of guitar amps.
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Genzler does not. I use a rack tray with four 1” squares of Scotch Dual Lock in each corner after removing the rubber feet. Works great and very road worthy.
The Kinetix 800 now lives in my rack but the Magellan is shown here. Reach out if you have any questions! J
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Penn/Elcomm offers a clamping rack shelf that allow you to rack any amp in a rack case. The shelf has side pieces that allow 2 padded bars to clamp across the top of the amp as it sits on the shelf. I don't have the link handy but you can check their website.
How does a stack (ie 2) bass array 12” cabs compare to the bass array 2x10 + 15 stacks? There doesn’t seem to be many videos of the 12s, whereas most of the promotional videos are the 2x10+15.
I stack my array 12-3 with a 15-3 and it sounds great. I have another 12-3 but I have not combined all 3 yet
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You may want to check out our Kinetix 800 demo videos, on our website or YouTube channel. The one with Mel Brown demos the amp through a BA2-112-3 stack. It features a variety of bass tones including fretless bass.
A couple of questions from someone currently outside the Genz-Benz/Genzler family.
What are the differences between a Genz-Benz Streamliner 900 and the new Genzler Kinetix 800?
Also, does anyone run either of these hybrid amps for a pristine, clean, loud sound/tone?
Thank-you.
(Note: I also posted this question in the "Official Genz Benz Club V2" thread.)
What are the differences between a Genz-Benz Streamliner 900 and the new Genzler Kinetix 800?
Also, does anyone run either of these hybrid amps for a pristine, clean, loud sound/tone?
Thank-you.
(Note: I also posted this question in the "Official Genz Benz Club V2" thread.)
Kinetix is my Rock/Led Zeppelin rig.
I use the fat switch for all songs except Immigrant, and just crank the gain for that one. The lean switch is probably what you’d prefer.
That’s how I use it.
I used to own a Streamliner something like 8-10 years ago. So I don’t recall everything about it and I was playing a lot more country back then.
But I can say that both heads are strong and sound great. The Kinetix has wonderful heft to every note. That’s the primary difference as I see it and remember.
I use the fat switch for all songs except Immigrant, and just crank the gain for that one. The lean switch is probably what you’d prefer.
That’s how I use it.
I used to own a Streamliner something like 8-10 years ago. So I don’t recall everything about it and I was playing a lot more country back then.
But I can say that both heads are strong and sound great. The Kinetix has wonderful heft to every note. That’s the primary difference as I see it and remember.
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If I recall, the Streamliner was a bit tubey-er sounding (not like an Alembic preamp, but a bit more in that direction than the Kinetix).
I corrected it to “fat switch”. I got confused the Magellan channels.
I've been using the thick position with the bass rolled back a bit (10 oclock) on my BA 10-2 array stack. This setting corresponds more closely to the bottom end depth I am getting with my Aguilar TH-350. If I use the fat position, the extreme lows sound noticeably thinner than on the TH-350 even with bass rolled up some, that TH-350 amp is no slouch. I'm still planning on getting either a third BA 10-2 or a BA-12 (that plan has been on hold for some time) so adding another cabinet could influence the way I set the switch in the future. Also, I play at a reasonably loud level but not at an insanely loud level and no slap so I don't think I'm over stressing the 10 inch bass drivers using the thick position, they still sound tight, clean and with nice bottom heft.
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Coming from the design team, there is more difference than similarities with the Streamliner and Kinetix. While they both use a 3 tube preamp running at 300 volts, the Kinetix offers more versatility along with ease of changing your tone. The 3 position switch along with the 5 band EQ network are the biggest differences you would notice from the player interface with these amps. We feel the Streamliner was more "voiced" than the Kinetix.
And for getting a pristine, clean tone, that is easily achieved with the Kinetix (somewhat dependent upon your instrument) ---- running the GAIN lower, raising the GAIN Vol higher along with the Master Vol set higher. Would not be afraid from using the BOOST switch as well, which does not automatically mean distortion or overdrive. It is nice to use when going for a cleaner tone as well.
Hope this might be helpful.
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This does bring up an important point we don't talk about enough --- when using the 3 position switch in the Fat and Thick positions, the response is going to be dependent upon having the right speaker configuration to deliver the lowest of the response curve, full with complete depth. I would say additing a BA 12 cabinet design will give you even more response from what you feel from this 3 position switch, and a noice addition to your BA10-2 stack.
