I know both products are highly regarded, just wondered if anyone has tried both and had any opinions they could share, for example, which was the louder cab, and which handled a low B, best. TIA.
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Genzler BA10-2-S2 or Barefaced One10T
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Just to add, it appears that the Barefaced 0ne10 uses a propriety 10" driver whereas the Genzler doesn't, but the Genzler uses proriety 2" drivers. From that. I'm guessing that the Barefaced might handle a little more power than the Genzler. I briefly tried the Genzler and was impressed by the way it sounded, but the loudness of the cab is my priority.
Genzler uses Faital drivers which are top notch and easily comparable to Barefaced.
I would believe the Genzler 2x10 would be louder than 1 Barefaced 1x10T
That said; I am considering a Barefaced 1x10T along with 1X10[no tweeter] for my next upgrade
[Genzler BA 210, Mesa Subway and Revsound still on list
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Which should have ability to play louder and cleaner at those volumes than Genzler
keyword 'Should'
I would believe the Genzler 2x10 would be louder than 1 Barefaced 1x10T
That said; I am considering a Barefaced 1x10T along with 1X10[no tweeter] for my next upgrade
[Genzler BA 210, Mesa Subway and Revsound still on list
]Which should have ability to play louder and cleaner at those volumes than Genzler
keyword 'Should'
I gigged with several of the 10-2 cabs for a few years, they are really great little speakers. Themid drivers add alot to their voice. I havent owned a BF110 to compare, so cant helpyou there.
Genzler uses Faital drivers which are top notch and easily comparable to Barefaced.
I would believe the Genzler 2x10 would be louder than 1 Barefaced 1x10T
That said; I am considering a Barefaced 1x10T along with 1X10[no tweeter] for my next upgrade
[Genzler BA 210, Mesa Subway and Revsound still on list
Which should have ability to play louder and cleaner at those volumes than Genzler
keyword 'Should'
The Genzler BA10-2-S2 has one 10” speaker. I know, the way their speakers are named is a little confusing.
The 2x10” is called the BA 210-3.
Yes Bad assumption on my part about 210-3[ forgot about 1x10
]; A BA1x10-2-SA may give Barefaced slight volume advantage but not necessarily overall performance.BA 1X10 uses 'Italian Design' driver but no mention of Faital
Yes. The 210 & 12 inch first generation bass arrays used Faital speakers. I believe the 110 had a Jensen woofer, but in any case it was not the same as the driver in the 210. The current series 2 cabs have another “Italian made” driver with no mention what it is. I have a series one BA10-2 and it punches way above its weight. All of the reports are that the series 2 improves on it - lighter weight, broader frequency response, higher power handling.27350070[/URL], member: 62632"]Yes Bad assumption on my part about 210-3[ forgot about 1x10
BA 1X10 uses 'Italian Design' driver but no mention of Faital
FWIW, I see no reason to think the Barefaced would give you higher volume. If anything, I’d expect that for the Genzler given the added speaker surface area provided by the four 2.5 inch speakers.
The published sensitivity specs are 97dB @ 1w for the Genzler, and 95 (?) for the Bare. It is dicey to compare sensitivity specs from different sources, different measuring procedures can skew the results.
I never played a Bare, but I have used one or two BA10-2's for years. They are my favorite 1x10 box, and they handle the E pretty well if you control the bass. I measured my cabs using my low-rent equipment, and the cabs achieved the published F3 spec of 55 Hz.
The B string is pushing it with a 1x10, to my ears, especially if you are talking moderate volumes with a lot of bass in the signal. I would not expect too much. Both of those 1x10 cabs are small boxes, so either bass extension or power handling is going to be limited.
I never played a Bare, but I have used one or two BA10-2's for years. They are my favorite 1x10 box, and they handle the E pretty well if you control the bass. I measured my cabs using my low-rent equipment, and the cabs achieved the published F3 spec of 55 Hz.
The B string is pushing it with a 1x10, to my ears, especially if you are talking moderate volumes with a lot of bass in the signal. I would not expect too much. Both of those 1x10 cabs are small boxes, so either bass extension or power handling is going to be limited.
I think I read that Series 2 drivers are made by LaVoce.
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I have owned a Barefaced Two10 and currently have 2 Genzler BA10-2 Series 2s. Overall volume will be similar with a slight edge going to the barefaced. HOWEVER, if you are looking for a clean and accurate sound, the Genzler is the choice to make. Build quality is also much higher with the Genzlers. The Barefaced has a more classic sound that is baked in and gets quite grindy as the volume increases. The Genzlers are almost studio monitor like, but with added warmth. I have tried MANY combinations of amps and cabs, including multiple variations of both the Genzler and Barefaced units, and for me, 1-3 Genzler BA12-2 V2 with the MG350 is the perfect setup. That said, the Barefaced 610 setup I had with a Shaw B150 tube amp sounded glorious.
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@Giraffe --- All good points. I will say that the newer BA10-2-S2 (Series-2) version will offer more fullness in the LF offering deeper performance on the B-string. And yes these are small 10" cabs, so there are some limits due to compact cabinet and driver size.
I’ll second that emotion! I also love my Magellan 800. If I’m doing a gig where portability is an issue, I’ll bring that instead of my Shaw B150. If I was going to buy a portable rig in only one name brand it would be a Magellan 800 with 3 Genzler 210 cabs…however, I’ve gotta say that this Shaw/Barefaced rig is incredible!
I have owned both....had 2 of the BA110 and now have 2 BF one10s (one with tweet). Neither cab will provide deep bass at loud gig volume IME. Both provide good upper bass (60Hz and up). If you want crisp highs for slap, drum machine, etc, the Genzlers are fine but you'd need the BF110 with an optional tweet. The BF cabs definitely have a higher volume ceiling. Even one BF 110 can cut it in a rock or blues setting with a reserved drummer if pushed, but that didn't work for me with 1 BA110. With the pair, both are enough IME. The Genzlers are much clearer and cleaner. BF is for those enjoying paper cone breakup-more old school tone..high end of the Genzlers is a thing of aural beauty that I don't really need. I also have a Nu Classic stack for when I want the full pants flapping experience 
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I have owned both....had 2 of the BA110 and now have 2 BF one10s (one with tweet). Neither cab will provide deep bass at loud gig volume IME. Both provide good upper bass (60Hz and up). If you want crisp highs for slap, drum machine, etc, the Genzlers are fine but you'd need the BF110 with an optional tweet. The BF cabs definitely have a higher volume ceiling. Even one BF 110 can cut it in a rock or blues setting with a reserved drummer if pushed, but that didn't work for me with 1 BA110. With the pair, both are enough IME. The Genzlers are much clearer and cleaner. BF is for those enjoying paper cone breakup-more old school tone..high end of the Genzlers is a thing of aural beauty that I don't really need. I also have a Nu Classic stack for when I want the full pants flapping experience
I agree with this. But to clarify, the extra volume capability of the BF will not be clean. By the time the BF passes the Genzler it will be imparting some cone breakup. That said, if that's the tone you are looking for....its pretty hard to beat.
I have gigged with 2 BF One10's. That was a great sound, with my AG700, but I wouldn't try to gig just one.
I play 5 string basses, and in my loud bands I'll use 2 BF 112's.
I play 5 string basses, and in my loud bands I'll use 2 BF 112's.
Just an observation, if you had the original BA10-2’s, the Series 2 version out now should give more bottom end and slightly different top end and will take more power. I haven’t played one of the Series 2’s nor one of the BF’s so can’t speak beyond what Jeff Genzler is saying re: the Series 2 in the Genzler thread.I have owned both....had 2 of the BA110 and now have 2 BF one10s (one with tweet). Neither cab will provide deep bass at loud gig volume IME. Both provide good upper bass (60Hz and up). If you want crisp highs for slap, drum machine, etc, the Genzlers are fine but you'd need the BF110 with an optional tweet. The BF cabs definitely have a higher volume ceiling. Even one BF 110 can cut it in a rock or blues setting with a reserved drummer if pushed, but that didn't work for me with 1 BA110. With the pair, both are enough IME. The Genzlers are much clearer and cleaner. BF is for those enjoying paper cone breakup-more old school tone..high end of the Genzlers is a thing of aural beauty that I don't really need. I also have a Nu Classic stack for when I want the full pants flapping experience
