Get off my LAWN! "Grumpy Old Farts"

[beans-on-toast]

They were an up and coming band called Loverboy.

A few good bands from Canader. The Sadies are very cool, here they are teaming up with Blue Rodeo.



The Skydiggers are a popular roots band joining forces with Blue Rodeo.

 

[2tonic]

........The goal is to shout it all out, these are the things we are talking about...

I see what you did there!

 

[beans-on-toast]

The evolution of rock’n’roll was a slow train coming.

 

[Polish Thunder]

The evolution of rock’n’roll was a slow train coming.
https://youtu.be/H_lqJk5JzeA

When I was in college back in the early 80's, I wrote a paper called "The Influence of Blues in Rock and Roll" for a Music Appreciation class elective I had. At the time, I was listening mostly to the likes of the Stones, Led Zeppelin, ZZ Top, and Lynyrd Skynyrd. This was before the Intraweb was popular and all my research was done in the library.

I learned so much about how Rock and Roll was formed and how early blues and country influenced it.

Thanks for posting that video. It brought back memories from long ago...

 

[ahc]

If you want to get really "modern", 1951's "Rocket 88" is considered to be the first rock-and-roll record. But if you listen to those tunes from the 30's and 40's, that to me is questionable. Here's Jackie Brenston and his Delta Cats which was atuslly Ike Turner and his Kings of Rhythm. Jackie Brenston was Ike's sax player.

 

[beans-on-toast]

If you want to get really "modern", 1951's "Rocket 88" is considered to be the first rock-and-roll record. But if you listen to those tunes from the 30's and 40's, that to me is questionable. Here's Jackie Brenston and his Delta Cats which was atuslly Ike Turner and his Kings of Rhythm. Jackie Brenston was Ike's sax player.

I think that those sort of claims stem from marketing rather than reality. With restrictions during WWII gone, there was a bust of new products. They wanted to reinvent everything as new, but it was built on the past. The same thing happened in the 60’s and each subsequent decade. The world is always eager for a new era to get excited about with the beginning of each decade. Perhaps those that drive it are too old to sustain what they had, a new generation takes over. In some cases, technology drives those changes, synthesizers are an example.

2020 brings cost effective home recording to everyone. Creativity doesn’t have as many monitary barriers. Self marketing on the internet makes management and sales more controlled and easier. All the tools are in place to run a business and collect royalties. Making music for profit will change as a result. Post covid, I wonder if there will be huge gatherings for shows. Many are cancelled in the coming months. I see artists offering live streams on youtube and other platforms. They receive money from the platforms based on views and ad revenue. They also offer private online streamed shows, buy a ticket to attend or hire them and you invite your friends. Costs are reasonable, the artists don’t have to leave their home studios.

One company, About Jam in the Van | Jam in the Van has an interesting model. Bands show up and perform publicized popup concerts or small scale gatherings but are also live streamed to followers from a truck that opens into a stage. All they need is a parking lot. A great way for relatively unknown bands to market themselves and gain attention.

 

[SoulReflection]

I think that those sort of claims stem from marketing rather than reality. With restriction during WWII, there was a bust of new products. They wanted to reinvent everything as new, but it was built on the past. The same thing happened in the 60’s and each subsequent decade. The world is always eager for a new era to get excited about at the end of each decade. Perhaps those that drive it are too old to sustain what they had, a new generation takes over. In some cases, technology drives those changes, synthesizers are an example.

2020 brings cost effective home recording to everyone. Creativity doesn’t have as many monitary barriers. Self marketing on the internet makes management and sales more controlled and easier. All the tools are in place to run a business and collect royalties. Music will change. Post covid, I wonder if there will be huge gatherings for shows. Many are cancelled in the coming months. I see artists offering live streams on youtube and other platforms. They receive money fromthe platforms based on views and ad revenue. They also offer private online treamed shows, buy a ticket to attend or hire them and you invite your friends. Costs are reasonable, the artists don’t have to leave their home studios.

One company, About Jam in the Van | Jam in the Van has an interesting model. Bands show up and perform publicised popup concerts or small gatherings but are also live streamed to followers from a truck that opens into a stage. All they need is a parking lot. A great way for relatively unknown bands to market themselves and gain attention.

Great insight here. Thanks, Beans!

 

[GwenOnBass]

There truly is no substitute for a live show. That we all have bodies means we all can't be in exactly the same spot at the same time, but by common agreement that's a fair arrangement. Seen stadium shows and intimate gatherings, and I'll take both and everything in between instead of watching a screen as I flabify my bum on the comfy chair. /grump

 

[12BitSlab]

There truly is no substitute for a live show. That we all have bodies means we all can't be in exactly the same spot at the same time, but by common agreement that's a fair arrangement. Seen stadium shows and intimate gatherings, and I'll take both and everything in between instead of watching a screen as I flabify my bum on the comfy chair. /grump

^^^^^^^^ This!

 

[Polish Thunder]

There truly is no substitute for a live show. That we all have bodies means we all can't be in exactly the same spot at the same time, but by common agreement that's a fair arrangement. Seen stadium shows and intimate gatherings, and I'll take both and everything in between instead of watching a screen as I flabify my bum on the comfy chair. /grump

I agree with Morrigan on this. Even though I enjoy listening to music and watching videos, there is something magical about a live performance. An example is that I have seen James Cotton perform several times. To sit up near the stage and experience the raw live emotion is something that you will not get from watching a video IMHO.

Here is James playing Rocket 88. James quit singing by now as he struggled with throat cancer and it affected his voice. Also his harmonica playing is not what it use to be. But every time I have seen him, I got to sit and hang out with him after the show.

You can check out his bass player, the late Noel Neal, at the right in the video.

 

[beans-on-toast]

No question that live adds an excitement and power to the experience. I just fear that things have permanently changed. The days of large groups of people standing shoulder to shoulder in outdoor summer concerts are probably over. There are concerns about people wanting to do others harm, now there’s the threat of a bug. Will there be a Times Square New Year’s Eve show in NYC this year? Will people decide that these sort of events have run their course?

They will relax restrictions. Some will never go back to the old ways, they’ll avoid crowded spaces. If people stay away, bands won’t tour. If there’s a serious second wave, I fear that the consequences for future public events will be dire.

Then there’s the issue of older performers. There are so many of them. Their audiences are made up of many older folks, they’ll have concerns as well. Will the Stones or McCartney want to risk the unknown for the sake of live shows in the future? It’s yet to be seen.

BTW, the aviation industry is fighting to survive. Many airlines and plane manufacturers will go under without massive bailouts. They are talking about only filling every other seat so people have space. Travel costs will go up as a result. Companies are looking into people working from home permanently. They want less travel meetings. New business models are already taking shape.

 

[SoulReflection]

No question that live adds an excitement and power to the experience. I just fear that things have permanently changed. The days of large groups of people standing shoulder to shoulder in outdoor summer concerts are probably over. There are concerns about people wanting to do others harm, now there’s the threat of a bug. Will there be a Times Square New Year’s Eve show in NYC this year? Will people decide that these sort of events have run their course?

They will relax restrictions. Some will never go back to the old ways, they’ll avoid crowded spaces. If people stay away, bands won’t tour. If there’s a serious second wave, I fear that the consequences for future public events will be dire.

Then there’s the issue of older performers. There are so many of them. Their audiences are made up of many older folks, they’ll have concerns as well. Will the Stones or McCartney want to risk the unknown for the sake of live shows in the future? It’s yet to be seen.

BTW, the aviation industry is fighting to survive. Many airlines and plane manufacturers will go under without massive bailouts. They are talking about only filling every other seat so people have space. Travel costs will go up as a result. Companies are looking into people working from home permanently. They want less travel meetings. New business models are already taking shape.

Could be the unfortunate New Normal...but, we would still have each other, albeit at a distance. Stay safe everyone and be happy! We can do this...

 

[GwenOnBass]

No question that live adds an excitement and power to the experience. I just fear that things have permanently changed. The days of large groups of people standing shoulder to shoulder in outdoor summer concerts are probably over. There are concerns about people wanting to do others harm, now there’s the threat of a bug. Will there be a Times Square New Year’s Eve show in NYC this year? Will people decide that these sort of events have run their course?

They will relax restrictions. Some will never go back to the old ways, they’ll avoid crowded spaces. If people stay away, bands won’t tour. If there’s a serious second wave, I fear that the consequences for future public events will be dire.

Then there’s the issue of older performers. There are so many of them. Their audiences are made up of many older folks, they’ll have concerns as well. Will the Stones or McCartney want to risk the unknown for the sake of live shows in the future? It’s yet to be seen.

BTW, the aviation industry is fighting to survive. Many airlines and plane manufacturers will go under without massive bailouts. They are talking about only filling every other seat so people have space. Travel costs will go up as a result. Companies are looking into people working from home permanently. They want less travel meetings. New business models are already taking shape.

The airlines can take a hike. Charge me €100 for luggage half a kilogram over "limit", charge me again for the legroom I would have had in the first place, charge me again for technically edible [something] on a CBF (crying baby flight) that's 2 hours late just to take off, and charge me again for something they'll think up just now. Used to be everyone had legroom, and elbow room, but noooooooo

 

[beans-on-toast]

The airlines can take a hike. Charge me €100 for luggage half a kilogram over "limit", charge me again for the legroom I would have had in the first place, charge me again for technically edible [something] on a CBF (crying baby flight) that's 2 hours late just to take off, and charge me again for something they'll think up just now. Used to be everyone had legroom, and elbow room, but noooooooo

I know, they are out of control.

I prefer an aisle seat, faster egress. Let me outta here! There's usually a button that allows you to lift the arm rest on the aisle. Makes you a little less boxed in during the flight.

The Airbus CEO talked today about how serious their condition is. Boeing is in trouble as well, especially with the 737MAX grounded. Both are worried about survival. Nobody knows what sort of planes will sell in the new world.

 

[GwenOnBass]

Always the aisle seat.

Log enough air time and you'll see everything. Passengers with epileptic seizures, vomit, stinkfoot ... seriously people - alleged people - take off their shoes for the flight. And use the toilets in their stocking feet Ever wonder what happens when a passenger dies mid-flight? Or waiting for takeoff? Or dies when the plane is diverted because someone else died? Flight attendants are not permitted to pronounce anyone dead. BUT there is an absolute mountain of paperwork for them to complete.

 

[SoulReflection]

Always the aisle seat.

Log enough air time and you'll see everything. Passengers with epileptic seizures, vomit, stinkfoot ... seriously people - alleged people - take off their shoes for the flight. And use the toilets in their stocking feet Ever wonder what happens when a passenger dies mid-flight? Or waiting for takeoff? Or dies when the plane is diverted because someone else died? Flight attendants are not permitted to pronounce anyone dead. BUT there is an absolute mountain of paperwork for them to complete.

I don't fly anymore. All these posts are the reason why...

 

[GwenOnBass]

I like rail travel

 

[beans-on-toast]

Because my grandfather worked for a railway, my grandmother had unlimited rail travel for life. She took advantage of it. My dad worked for an airline. Both parents were given unlimited flights for life after 25 years of service, kids got seven round trips per year throughout the career. I doubt that those sort of benefits are available today.

 

[Jeff Scott]

I like rail travel

I've never done it, but I hear it can be romantic.

I also hear a certain FST shtick in my head.........

 

[GwenOnBass]

[train rhythms] rockefeller rockefeller humphry humphry humphry
one shining steel rail!