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Get off my LAWN! "Grumpy Old Farts"
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I watched it twice just to make sure I heard what I thought I heard the first time. The Fargen Ice holes.
FFTT, sorry to hear about your parents passing. I have survived two heart attacks and two strokes but I was very lucky. I can understand your pain. I've had more than a few of those catheterization procedures.
I too lived in Germany for a couple of years starting in mid 1946. I was six months old at the time. For some reason my family was the first British family to enter Germany at the end of the war. i've often wondered why a lowly Flying Officer in Bomber Command would be sent to run what was tantamount to a hotel in what was formerly the summer palace of the Duke of Hanover.
I too lived in Germany for a couple of years starting in mid 1946. I was six months old at the time. For some reason my family was the first British family to enter Germany at the end of the war. i've often wondered why a lowly Flying Officer in Bomber Command would be sent to run what was tantamount to a hotel in what was formerly the summer palace of the Duke of Hanover.
FFTT,
My dad's buried in Arlington also. His ceremony had everything Pres. Kennedy had except for the horse (reserved for commanders). I was an adult at the time and still count that experience as my life's awe-inspiring moment despite the emotional hardship.
My dad's buried in Arlington also. His ceremony had everything Pres. Kennedy had except for the horse (reserved for commanders). I was an adult at the time and still count that experience as my life's awe-inspiring moment despite the emotional hardship.
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Ok, ok, I qualify. Really, I do, damn it! Get off my lawn 
Let me offer a big heartfelt thanks to all of our military members and their families here. Both of my grandfathers were in WW-I, both came home alive but I vividly remember one of my grandfather's scars from mustard gas and his difficulty breathing late in life. Even at my young age, it baffled me that humans could be so cruel to one another. I missed Vietnam by only a couple of years but I remember the life long sadness of a schoolmate's father that started when his son was killed. The father said his life ended the day his son died, and self-medication ultimately ended his. But for the grace of god could have been any of us (of that age).
Anyway, I put together a show 6 years ago to honor those in the military for their service so that we may enjoy what we have today. It's a touring style show segment that's part of a much bigger show, with theatre, drama, music and horses that we do at fairs and rodeos out here in the west. We've done the show over 100 times, some shows have special guests that we honor, such at the remaining members of the Tuskegee Airmen (the African American bomber escort flyers who saved countless lives in spite of the racial conditions of the times), Wounded Worriers, etc. We end the show with a tribute to the fallen soldier, with a regal black Friesian horse carrying an empty saddle with boots facing backward in the Cavalry tradition. When meeting the audience after the show, we hear a lot of stories. Years back, a couple of "old guys" (they really were old) came by in the morning and asked which horse honored the fallen soldier the night before. I pointed to her stall and they walked ober there, took a white rose out of a bag they carried, and placed it on the front of her stall. Curious, I walked over and asked why they brought her the rose. I then saw that they both wore VFW hats inscribed "Bataan survivor". Ugh, one of those moments that we have all had. They said that the show the night before brought a calming peace to them and the memories of their brothers who did not survive the march. Wow, pretty heavy stuff... the point being that lots of people in the world struggle with real losses that happened as a byproduct of freedom.
Anyway, get off my lawn or I'll call in the Marines
Let me offer a big heartfelt thanks to all of our military members and their families here. Both of my grandfathers were in WW-I, both came home alive but I vividly remember one of my grandfather's scars from mustard gas and his difficulty breathing late in life. Even at my young age, it baffled me that humans could be so cruel to one another. I missed Vietnam by only a couple of years but I remember the life long sadness of a schoolmate's father that started when his son was killed. The father said his life ended the day his son died, and self-medication ultimately ended his. But for the grace of god could have been any of us (of that age).
Anyway, I put together a show 6 years ago to honor those in the military for their service so that we may enjoy what we have today. It's a touring style show segment that's part of a much bigger show, with theatre, drama, music and horses that we do at fairs and rodeos out here in the west. We've done the show over 100 times, some shows have special guests that we honor, such at the remaining members of the Tuskegee Airmen (the African American bomber escort flyers who saved countless lives in spite of the racial conditions of the times), Wounded Worriers, etc. We end the show with a tribute to the fallen soldier, with a regal black Friesian horse carrying an empty saddle with boots facing backward in the Cavalry tradition. When meeting the audience after the show, we hear a lot of stories. Years back, a couple of "old guys" (they really were old) came by in the morning and asked which horse honored the fallen soldier the night before. I pointed to her stall and they walked ober there, took a white rose out of a bag they carried, and placed it on the front of her stall. Curious, I walked over and asked why they brought her the rose. I then saw that they both wore VFW hats inscribed "Bataan survivor". Ugh, one of those moments that we have all had. They said that the show the night before brought a calming peace to them and the memories of their brothers who did not survive the march. Wow, pretty heavy stuff... the point being that lots of people in the world struggle with real losses that happened as a byproduct of freedom.
Anyway, get off my lawn or I'll call in the Marines
My first paying gigs were with a band that played the NCO club at Ft. Belvoir & some local fire halls.
I was very lucky that my parents were 100% behind me being a musician, but also there for me when times were rough.
I tried to raise my three girls with the same set of values, honor, respect, integrity and hard work to reach self imposed goals.
I was very lucky that my parents were 100% behind me being a musician, but also there for me when times were rough.
I tried to raise my three girls with the same set of values, honor, respect, integrity and hard work to reach self imposed goals.
Agedhorse,
We had a family friend in my hometown who was also a Bataan survivor. He and his family ran the largest funeral home in Aiken SC for years(I never could wrap my head around that). I'll always remember him as tall, thin with an emotionless solemn face. There is nothing we can ever do to repay those men for what they endured.
Thanks for your show.
We had a family friend in my hometown who was also a Bataan survivor. He and his family ran the largest funeral home in Aiken SC for years(I never could wrap my head around that). I'll always remember him as tall, thin with an emotionless solemn face. There is nothing we can ever do to repay those men for what they endured.
Thanks for your show.
My son is studying to be a mortician. He was in Civil Air Patrol Honor Guard for several years and did ceremonies for many military funerals during that time. He wants to get into funeral services because he wants to be able to help and comfort surviving family members as he did during his Honor Guard service. I suspect it was the same for the Bataan survivor as well.
While we're on the subject, I too would like to express my thanks to service members around the world. My lady's dad was a dessert rat in Tripoli.
My father, a WOP by training, survived seventeen major air crashes, one of which he was the only man left standing. I have his RAF log book and it is some difficult reading. He flew in Lancasters from their introduction in 1941 to the end of hostilities in 1945. Amusingly if I had arrived as #2 and not my sister, my name would have included Merlin. My sister and I visited the Hamilton aircraft museum here in Ontario. We were allowed to enter their Memorial Lancaster. Seeing the skin of the aircraft was about 5/16" Aluminium I marvel at the courage of anyone getting in to one.
My sister carries the name of Penny Beauchamp, a New Zealander, who was the crew's skipper. On a trip to Aukland she visited the war museum. There she saw a photo of the skipper. Brought back some memories for her as she had met the man as a child.
I found a book called "On The Wings Of The Morning" dedicated to the men who flew Lancasters out of RAF Bottesford from 1941 to 1945. To my surprise on page 42 is a photo of my fathers' crew. My Dad's the shortest!
Within our family, as a child, there was some eerie mystery about a crash that took the life of Tommy Paul who was the second pilot in Dad's crew. I guess that's where my name came from! Surfing the web one day I came across an Ebook titled "Through The Stained Glass" which chronicled the search the author, also a New Zealander, made to find out more about that crash and also his search for my father. I'd love to have a copy of that book but couldn't figure out how to get a copy.
When I think about war I am greatly saddened by all the young lives lost. I see it as such a waste and hope that one day war will only be in our history.
Sorry about the length of this missive. My hands just kinda kept on pushing keys!!
My father, a WOP by training, survived seventeen major air crashes, one of which he was the only man left standing. I have his RAF log book and it is some difficult reading. He flew in Lancasters from their introduction in 1941 to the end of hostilities in 1945. Amusingly if I had arrived as #2 and not my sister, my name would have included Merlin. My sister and I visited the Hamilton aircraft museum here in Ontario. We were allowed to enter their Memorial Lancaster. Seeing the skin of the aircraft was about 5/16" Aluminium I marvel at the courage of anyone getting in to one.
My sister carries the name of Penny Beauchamp, a New Zealander, who was the crew's skipper. On a trip to Aukland she visited the war museum. There she saw a photo of the skipper. Brought back some memories for her as she had met the man as a child.
I found a book called "On The Wings Of The Morning" dedicated to the men who flew Lancasters out of RAF Bottesford from 1941 to 1945. To my surprise on page 42 is a photo of my fathers' crew. My Dad's the shortest!
Within our family, as a child, there was some eerie mystery about a crash that took the life of Tommy Paul who was the second pilot in Dad's crew. I guess that's where my name came from! Surfing the web one day I came across an Ebook titled "Through The Stained Glass" which chronicled the search the author, also a New Zealander, made to find out more about that crash and also his search for my father. I'd love to have a copy of that book but couldn't figure out how to get a copy.
When I think about war I am greatly saddened by all the young lives lost. I see it as such a waste and hope that one day war will only be in our history.
Sorry about the length of this missive. My hands just kinda kept on pushing keys!!
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The stories we hear each year are one reason why we keep doing these shows. Every one of us have cried at various times while passing the grandstands... seeing the family standing with their heads bowed, the old lady in tears bring comforted by their adult child, and those who have lost brothers, and sons in recent conflicts. Our show honors and respects the sacrifices those men and women (and their families) have made for all of us rather than for the war itself.
Can somebody post the membership list for this club? I'm 59 last month, I can't remember whether I joined or not and I'm too grumpy to wade through 45 pages of "Grumpy Old Farts"!
My father lied about his age to join the military, serving first in the horse cavalry and later became a champion rider.
He served in Panama, is honored as Korean War Veteran and served post WWII in Wiesbaden with the Air Force. He was serving at Norton AFB when I was born, but soon transferred to the Pentagon working in the Air Force Inspector General's Group.
Mom was a surgical flight nurse in the Luftwaffe, but post war came here as a refugee and ended up meeting my father in San Antonio Texas where she was teaching nursing at the Air Force Base.
He served in Panama, is honored as Korean War Veteran and served post WWII in Wiesbaden with the Air Force. He was serving at Norton AFB when I was born, but soon transferred to the Pentagon working in the Air Force Inspector General's Group.
Mom was a surgical flight nurse in the Luftwaffe, but post war came here as a refugee and ended up meeting my father in San Antonio Texas where she was teaching nursing at the Air Force Base.
My uncle Bob (Robert Boyer) was also a Bataan survivor, and Japanese POW for something like 9-12 months. He came out of that weighing something like 88 or 98 lbs. Was always a large man later in life, swearing he'd never go hungry again.
After the war he worked at places like Motorola, IBM, etc., and worked with many Japanese folks, etc. Never had any hard feelings toward them at all, rather welcomed them with open arms. When my Dad once asked him about this, what it was like to deal with it, etc., my uncles answer only consisted of three words..."it was war".
Bless our defenders, each and every one. Ordinary people doing extraordinary things.
Our family has a lot of military history/service in it, but my Dad was in 61-63, so missed Vietnam, and I was in '92-'95, so, after the first Gulf war but before anything else happened.
I can't imagine what those folks went through back then, or what these folks are going through now. These folks do selfless acts every day, that make the rest of our "trials and troubles" seem just trivial.
After the war he worked at places like Motorola, IBM, etc., and worked with many Japanese folks, etc. Never had any hard feelings toward them at all, rather welcomed them with open arms. When my Dad once asked him about this, what it was like to deal with it, etc., my uncles answer only consisted of three words..."it was war".
Bless our defenders, each and every one. Ordinary people doing extraordinary things.
Our family has a lot of military history/service in it, but my Dad was in 61-63, so missed Vietnam, and I was in '92-'95, so, after the first Gulf war but before anything else happened.
I can't imagine what those folks went through back then, or what these folks are going through now. These folks do selfless acts every day, that make the rest of our "trials and troubles" seem just trivial.
My eldest daughter is technically a disabled Navy veteran.
3 days before graduation on the last make believe war game she ended up with a stress fracture in her pelvis.
She would need at least 6 months to recover before she could try again.
I flew to Great Lakes training center hoping to convince them to send her to " A" school anyway and to allow her to graduate.
She had done well with no issues up to that point.
Bone headed rules and regs mandated that stupid war game be completed in order to graduate.
And you couldn't go to A school without graduating basic.
The commander did agree to keep her on base long enough for her service to qualify her as a Navy Vet.
She was sent home with an honorable medical discharge and 10% disability.
She wanted to study meteorology.
One thing that struck me seeing all those young recruits.
They were still kids! and it all seemed a bit crazy that we would
send our children into harms way.
I was both proud and terrified as a parent.
We need to think very hard before we ever do it again.
3 days before graduation on the last make believe war game she ended up with a stress fracture in her pelvis.
She would need at least 6 months to recover before she could try again.
I flew to Great Lakes training center hoping to convince them to send her to " A" school anyway and to allow her to graduate.
She had done well with no issues up to that point.
Bone headed rules and regs mandated that stupid war game be completed in order to graduate.
And you couldn't go to A school without graduating basic.
The commander did agree to keep her on base long enough for her service to qualify her as a Navy Vet.
She was sent home with an honorable medical discharge and 10% disability.
She wanted to study meteorology.
One thing that struck me seeing all those young recruits.
They were still kids! and it all seemed a bit crazy that we would
send our children into harms way.
I was both proud and terrified as a parent.
We need to think very hard before we ever do it again.
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I'll be gosh darned/dagnabbited if all of a sudden down here we ain't getting' no rain. Marmaduke just (literally) gave off the fart of his life…he's dreaming of sucking titty. It truly stinks to hell.
'mater plants are doing well,
fnord
'mater plants are doing well,
fnord
My dad passed 2 years ago (would've been his 90th BD today - VE day). He was a stoker on the HMCS New Glasgow, running convoys between Halifax and England. 69 years ago today he was celebrating his 21st in a pub in Scotland. Must've been some party with everyone celebrating the end of the European conflict! He ceremoniously stood on a chair to give a toast, then fell through it midway through his speech. His dad was gassed in Ypres serving with the Canadian Army in France. None of those WW1 guys left, and the numbers of the WW2 vets are dwindling now as well.
My dad served a couple years active in the US Navy, enough years Naval Reserve and Army National Guard to earn full retirement benefits. Never saw wartime duty.
I never served due to experiences in the Naval Sea Cadet Corps and poor eyesight that wouldn't let me qualify for what I was willing to sign up for.
My three sons, oldest saw time served in the Army in Korea doing communications, got kicked out when he wouldn't maintain weight, is now in a veteran's homeless shelter. Number 2 flies the UAV's for the Army, served time in Afghanistan and is now stationed in CO. He's been in about 6 years now. So far he's been making a career out of it. Youngest just got back to Germany from a tour in Afghanistan. He decided he's getting out when his enlistment is up.
I never served due to experiences in the Naval Sea Cadet Corps and poor eyesight that wouldn't let me qualify for what I was willing to sign up for.
My three sons, oldest saw time served in the Army in Korea doing communications, got kicked out when he wouldn't maintain weight, is now in a veteran's homeless shelter. Number 2 flies the UAV's for the Army, served time in Afghanistan and is now stationed in CO. He's been in about 6 years now. So far he's been making a career out of it. Youngest just got back to Germany from a tour in Afghanistan. He decided he's getting out when his enlistment is up.
I haven't seen any numbers assigned since page 34. Here's the list I have so far. Looks like somebody has some catching up to do. I think I'm gonna have some free time this weekend so if you want me to get a list of potentials up lemme know but if you want me assigning numbers , I'm gonna have to be appointed for that .
Grumpy Old Farts":
#1 Wcriley
#2 B-String
#3 BassmanPaul
#4 Jeff Scott
#5 Joe Louvar
#6 Dmwphoto
#7 dbase
#8 bassteban
#9 Bassmanmike1
#10 Downunderwonder
#11 vmabus
#12 1bassplayin
#13 bachlover
#14 sharkbait130
#15 moff40
#16 Neener
#17 popgadget
#18 1958Bassman
#19 username1
#20 Steve Dallman
#21 Turock
#22 fishinmuzician
#23 RickenBoogie
#24 wengr
#25 blowinblue
#26 garak7
#27 hsech
#28 Gaolee
#29 ZenG
#30 Woodstockz
#31 abarson
#32 Interceptor
#33 Pako
#34 R Baer
#35 Ajapses
#36 4Mal
#37 gustobassman
#38 Munjibunga
#39 jeffbonny
#40 ScottTunes
#41 rust_preacher
#42 Skeeter1
#43 billgoodwin
#44 Davesound
#45 has been
#46 spankdaplank
#47 bgavin
#48 Spacecase
#49 petrus61
#50 greybeard125
#51 SactoBass
#52 Ken R
#53 TheRealKong
#54 tgriley62
#55 RobJ
#56 Chainsaw Willie
#57 65panhead
#58 Pbass15
#59 drummer5359
#60 Khronic
#61 vickde
#62 Staccato
#63 rfslick
#64 grey area
#65 iiipopes
#66 spiritbass
#67 Russell L
#68 mntngrown
#69 wave rider
#70 Crazy_Climer
#71 Blues Bass 2
#72 lposavad
#73 Matt Dean
#74 ggunn
#75 bassmec
#76 BroDew
#77 Pearly Gator
#78 KeithAllenK
#79 CDweller
#80 lowendblues
#81 edwinhurwitz
#82 Marko5657
#83 bmc
#84 edpal
#85 mkandolf
Grumpy Old Farts":
#1 Wcriley
#2 B-String
#3 BassmanPaul
#4 Jeff Scott
#5 Joe Louvar
#6 Dmwphoto
#7 dbase
#8 bassteban
#9 Bassmanmike1
#10 Downunderwonder
#11 vmabus
#12 1bassplayin
#13 bachlover
#14 sharkbait130
#15 moff40
#16 Neener
#17 popgadget
#18 1958Bassman
#19 username1
#20 Steve Dallman
#21 Turock
#22 fishinmuzician
#23 RickenBoogie
#24 wengr
#25 blowinblue
#26 garak7
#27 hsech
#28 Gaolee
#29 ZenG
#30 Woodstockz
#31 abarson
#32 Interceptor
#33 Pako
#34 R Baer
#35 Ajapses
#36 4Mal
#37 gustobassman
#38 Munjibunga
#39 jeffbonny
#40 ScottTunes
#41 rust_preacher
#42 Skeeter1
#43 billgoodwin
#44 Davesound
#45 has been
#46 spankdaplank
#47 bgavin
#48 Spacecase
#49 petrus61
#50 greybeard125
#51 SactoBass
#52 Ken R
#53 TheRealKong
#54 tgriley62
#55 RobJ
#56 Chainsaw Willie
#57 65panhead
#58 Pbass15
#59 drummer5359
#60 Khronic
#61 vickde
#62 Staccato
#63 rfslick
#64 grey area
#65 iiipopes
#66 spiritbass
#67 Russell L
#68 mntngrown
#69 wave rider
#70 Crazy_Climer
#71 Blues Bass 2
#72 lposavad
#73 Matt Dean
#74 ggunn
#75 bassmec
#76 BroDew
#77 Pearly Gator
#78 KeithAllenK
#79 CDweller
#80 lowendblues
#81 edwinhurwitz
#82 Marko5657
#83 bmc
#84 edpal
#85 mkandolf
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