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Getting a modern tone from a P-bass

The Sadowsky pre boosts at 40Hz & 5kHz.
Goose those a bit with a parametric EQ, see what you see.

But i will say, those two frequencies aren’t really present in the Pbass tone, so you’ll be boosting dead space. But it’s worth a try.

The SBP is the same circuit as in the Sadowsky basses put into a stomp box. Roger himself recommends it as an option for vintage basses to avoid surgery.

The bands in the SBP are shelving, unlike parametric EQs. Although the 3 dB cutoff points may seem too low and too high, they are most definitely not…the slope of the rolloff is very slow. (sorry I couldn’t find a graph online). The bass band beefs up notes on the G string which is well above 40Hz. The bands are boost only, as boost is increased, mids get more and more scooped. The function of the volume knob is to compensate for the huge boosts that are possible…up to 18dB which is ridiculous.
 
Why not get a Jazz Bass or something?

More or less, the J's neck pickup solo sounds like a P Bass. And, with the J's bridge pickup, many, many so called, "modern sounds".

IMHO, strings and amp settings are the biggest factors with getting a "modern sound".
 
To my ears, a big cut around 700 Hz takes out a lot of the characteristic P bass honk
Agree. I have a custom P/J that can be much more mid-forward sounding than I need without some tweaking. But if I'm playing it through my GB Shuttle 6.0, the tone is much more smooth with the mid scoop filter on the amp engaged (and I typically don't like mid scoops). I believe this filter might be centered in the neighborhood of 600Hz, but I often noodle with those frequencies in the realm of 600-800Hz when I want to dial in some sort of character.
 
You posted on basses. Of course we will recommend pickups and preamps which I think is the right way to modernize a P.

Open another thread in the effects forum and ask what patch to build on the Stomp

If there is an EBS sim that is a good start
I do not have an HX stomp myself but something similar...piStomp and I used a NAM profile of an EBS amp . Glockenkpang may even be better


D'Addario Pro Steels or GHS super steels will be what I'd use for strings rather than DR.
 
My first thought was, basically you want a second pickup, near the bridge. A PJ instead of a P.

I know this is an oversimplification but the "modern" sound generally = a 2-pickup bass, to my ears/opinion.

I'm sure that's not what you wanted but that's my $0.02.

Nevertheless, one of the examples provided by the OP is bass with a single humbucker roughly on the P position.
 
Yeah, i’ve thought about getting one for a bit myself. The pedal, not the preamp. (I HATE changing batteries. Passive or die!)
The 40Hz and 5kHz are from the website, but it doesn’t say anything about slope, just that they’re shelving.
I should have mentioned the shelving bit in my initial response.
The SBP is the same circuit as in the Sadowsky basses put into a stomp box. Roger himself recommends it as an option for vintage basses to avoid surgery.

The bands in the SBP are shelving, unlike parametric EQs. Although the 3 dB cutoff points may seem too low and too high, they are most definitely not…the slope of the rolloff is very slow. (sorry I couldn’t find a graph online). The bass band beefs up notes on the G string which is well above 40Hz. The bands are boost only, as boost is increased, mids get more and more scooped. The function of the volume knob is to compensate for the huge boosts that are possible…up to 18dB which is ridiculous.
 
Fair enough.
I just remember the hubbub about Fender’s S1 being nigh useless on the Pbass.
I guess it must’ve just been too far outside of the Pbass range for comfort for most people? 🤷🏻
I might play with that next time i have my bass open.
Thanks!

How would you describe the parallel tone of a P?
I've done this at least a dozen times; it works very well every time. - I speak from experience, not opinion.
 
Fair enough.
I just remember the hubbub about Fender’s S1 being nigh useless on the Pbass.
I guess it must’ve just been too far outside of the Pbass range for comfort for most people? 🤷🏻
I might play with that next time i have my bass open.
Thanks!

How would you describe the parallel tone of a P?
OK, the S1 switch. It was an idea - not a new one, really, but....when you go from parallel to series wiring on a P pickup, the series version is louder - quite a bit louder. If you used the switch to change the nature of your bass for a set of music, and you compensate for the level difference with a volume control later in your chain, everything is OK. But that's not how people usually do things - if you have two sounds, you want to be able to switch between them on the fly, and when you do that, the louder one always sounds better - especially on bass.

There is a way out of this. You wire the pickup in parallel - it's always in parallel. Then you capacitively load it in one mode so you get the "normal P" sound in that mode - this is a simple thing to do and the sound (other than the level) is exactly the same, if you choose the right capacitor value. You can also tune it to other sounds - there is a lot of leeway there to create your own desired tone. In the other mode, you either leave it as is, or load it with a bit less capacitance. So, you now have a bass that has both sounds like the basses with the S1 switch, but there is no level difference. Suddenly, the two modes are different flavors, and with neither being louder, you don't have the bias towards one, or the drop in level to contend with when switching on the fly. I have built a lot of basses with this idea, and they work great - a "P" sound, and a more "modern" sound.

What does a parallel wired P sound like? Well, there are a lot of flavors you can dial in with the loading capacitor value, but for smaller capacitor values that load it less, there is more high frequency extension - the resonant peak moves up in frequency. If you load it to the same sound as a "normal" P, you get a bit more "range" on the tone control - the normal P tone is there with the tone control rolled back a bit. For those that always play with their tone control dimed, they now have a tone control that literally "goes to 11" - if you always want "everything it has" tone wise, doesn't that mean you really want a bit more at times? With parallel wiring, you get that.

The other obvious question: Does/can a parallel wired P sound like J? No, the low mid scoop you get from combining two spaced pickups is not something you can get from a one pickup bass. You need two pickups to do that.
 
Ok, I’ll create a thread in effects. Also, the opportunity to get a Dingwall combustion 5 just came up. I have tried one at a store, watched virtually every YouTube review and read all I could online and it sounds like a bass that would solve all my modern-ish bass problems, but still I’m a little hesitant (mostly the fanned frets, heavy music-association and cost—even at used price). I’ll create a thread about it too, but if any of you reading here wants to chime in about what I should be mindful of getting in, please do (I guess this is a case of the OP himself hijacking his own thread, so that’s probably ok?)…

EDIT: just fixing text.
 
Ok, I’ll create a thread in effects. Also, the opportunity to get a Dingwall combustion 5 just came up. I have tried one at a store, watched virtually every YouTube review and read all I could online and it sounds like a bass that would solve all my modern-ish bass problems, but still I’m a little hesitant (mostly the fanned frets, heavy music-association and cost—even at used price). I’ll create a thread about it too, but if any of you reading here wants to chime in about what I should be mindful of getting in, please do (I guess this is a case of the OP himself hijacking his own thread, so that’s probably ok?)…

EDIT: just fixing text.
I think it's best you start a new thread, there already lots of people in here commenting without reading.
 
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