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Gibson Acquires Mesa/Boogie

Quick derail, sorry

Not sure about China. Maybe parts sources, but I thought all of those brand's products were made in a Behr.. Facility in Europe.

They’re all made in China. They have a giant manufacturing center they call “music tribe city” which opened a few years back, but they’ve always been made in China.
 
Just read the same thing.
Not happy.
Mesa has been knocking it out of the park, and Gibson has been floundering, relying on their name to cover for mismanagement and spotty QC.
Also, and I know this make some people angry, but I don't think Gibson knows squat about basses. Every bass of theirs I've ever tried has been unbalanced. They are just a bigger version of their awkwardly designed guitars.
 
If it’s not air cooled? It’s not a real Porsche.
If it’s not made in Kalamazoo it’s not a real Gibson.
If it wasn’t designed by Randy and Doug it’s not a real Mesa. Simple as. Hang on tight if you have an air cooled Porsche boys...
Fun post, though the analogy doesn't hold. The move to water-cooled wasn't driven by an acquisition. Nobody who isn't a serious air-cooled 911 enthusiast would argue that the current products aren't superior. And Porsche resale values, 911s anyway, are stronger than ever before.

I'm sure that comes off argumentative - not really my intent; I just saw an opening for a Porsche conversation and couldn't resist.
 
Nothing good happens when great independent companies are swallowed up. SWR, Eden, Genz Benz, all disappeared. I think some Genz Benz tech maybe made it into the new Rumble amps. Genzler has resurfaced under that name and is making great stuff. That doesn't seem to be the norm though. Maybe I'm wrong.

Ampeg is still Ampeg under Yamaha I believe. We'll see what happens to Aguilar and Mesa/Boogie I guess.
+1 to this.
 
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IMHO - I'm only seeing good hear. It might be good for Gibson to pick up on some the Mesa Boogie work ethic, culture, and humility. It's probably a good business vaccine for Gibson right now.

Gibson has had several false starts on producing new technologies. They need some help to find paths forward with new technologies. Mesa has old tube stuff up through modeled amps in IK Amplitube, and a full line of IRs of their cabs. Musicians like new stuff that sounds like old stuff but can also do new stuff. New stuff built in the US that people accept as authentic.
 
I'm sticking with @agedhorse (Andy). He's proven time after time that he can keep innovating in a way that satisfies the needs of working bass players. I'm assuming he'll be fine right where he is. (Mainly because he says he will, and I trust him.) Probably nothing to see here. But even if the worst happens, Andy will land on his feet. And I'll probably buy whatever he has up his sleeve when he gets there.
 
The problem with these kind of acquisitions usually doesn’t come right away. At first it’s always “Nothing will change and everything will still be made in America and it’ll just be great!”

Then a year or two from now some C suite at Gibson needs to goose the quarterly income statements (and thus his bonus) because his golfing buddy’s new yacht is nicer than his so he hires a consultant that tells him to offshore production. Randy says hell no then gets offered the choice of “retiring” or just sitting in an office being ignored because he has no real power post merger. Agedhorse can’t say anything because of the non-disparagement clause in his new Gibson employment contract. The new Chinese sweatshop Mesas are mostly fine and hundreds of threads on TB debate if they’re actually as good as the USA stuff.
 
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