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Double Bass Give me a name for this chord, please

#21
TroyK said:
F - Ab - B - D - Gb - A
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Hi Troy, You have a double diminished chord there. There is an Fdim7 on the bottom, and you are implying a Gbdim on top of that. The scale would be a H-W dim scale from F.

Or you could think of it as Bmin7 over a Bbmin7 (minus the notes Bb, Db in the Bbmin chord). Jaki Byard would use those types of chords sometimes—DbMaj7 over CMaj7 or Bmin7 over Bbmin7.

To my ears, a more common sound for your chord would be to voice the Gbdim on the bottom and play the Fdim on top. Or voice it like a Dtriad with an Fdim triad on top. Then you have the function of a D13#9b5.

The bottom line is: You have some very dark sounds bouncing around in your head . . . :eyebrow:
 
#22
I ended up going with F-6/9 add #5 and I notated it on the stave, which will be followed by verbals to "voice it how you feel it" and maybe some discussion and agreement with horns on which note to pick. But, at least I've given them a palatte from which to draw choose colors.

Thanks for the input. I've attached a concert chart in case anyone wants to read it down and optionally give some feedback. Simple little tune, really.

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#23
TroyK said:
I ended up going with F-6/9 add #5 and I notated it on the stave, which will be followed by verbals to "voice it how you feel it" and maybe some discussion and agreement with horns on which note to pick. But, at least I've given them a palatte from which to draw choose colors.

Thanks for the input. I've attached a concert chart in case anyone wants to read it down and optionally give some feedback. Simple little tune, really.

All rights reserved and whatnot.
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That's a good little tune Troy. Would you mind if I went through it with my band? Nothing more than at rehearsal, I'm just interested to hear how it sounds with the trio. I'll do a little recording if you fancy hearing it.
 
#29
Febs said:
Off-topic, but your chart would be much more readable if the Ab in measures 1 and 5 and the Gb in measure 18 were an eighth tied to a half rather a half tied to an eighth. Similarly, in measure 12, I would show the Ab as a dotted quarter tied to a quarter.
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NOT off topic. I love the feedback. I'll check that out, thanks very much.

I don't recall ever seeing a composition posted here before. I'm kind of glad I did. Notating my music is really an exercise in seeing if I can communicate my ideas to people on paper, so feedback like yours is much appreciate.

Have a missed a whole forum on this or is there a reason that it's not something that we tend to do here?
 
#31
TroyK said:
Have a missed a whole forum on this or is there a reason that it's not something that we tend to do here?
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We mused about it at one point but nothing ever panned out. I do a good amount of writing and would love to start a 'original composition knitting club'. Maybe we could take turns posting and critiquing?

I've been busy but I'll play through your tune tonight Troy. It sounds cool in my head but I would like to get a piano involved.
 
#33
fingers said:
We mused about it at one point but nothing ever panned out. I do a good amount of writing and would love to start a 'original composition knitting club'. Maybe we could take turns posting and critiquing?
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Let's start a mega thread, I've been focused on writing and cleaning up and/or finishing stale compostions, like the one I posted. I had an idea a few years ago for a limited rights license agreement, at least for guys I knew here in Seattle. I'm delighted to have other people play my tunes if they are so inclined and would like to grant those rights and reserve recording or other commercial release rights. We've had a few venues dry up over ASCAP/BMI issues and one response is to bring a whole catalogue of tunes that we can prove we've been granted rights to play.

Anyway, big dreams aside. If we want to start a thread, I'll contribute. I always appreciate feedback on both composition and my notation, which at times can be...interesting.
 
#34
If you wouldn't mind why don't you start it with your tune?

Also how 'bout posting a recording too. Even a sequencer one if you have it. If you want I can host it. I've got plenty of server space. I can make a page and post a .pdf and the accompanying recording to keep it organized. Just email 'em to me and I'll work up the page.

I'll follow up with one of my tunes in a few days after we have had a chance to really digest yours. On first play-through there are lots of neat things to discuss.
 
#35
I don't have even a scratch recording of that one yet, but I should soon and do have with some other tunes. I'll pick one and send you the .mp3 and chart and then start the thread. We can post the link when you have it ready.

Probably "Misc" forum?
 
#36
TroyK said:
F - Ab - B - D - Gb - A
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It could be a lot of things, but the way you have it voiced, assuming it's voiced from lowest note to highest, it would most conventiently be voiced:

F - Ab - Cb - Ebb - Gb - Bbb

Ergo:

I believe that what you have is the Elektra Chord of German Romantic Expressionist composer Richard Strauss. (NOTE: With the root on F-natural rather than E-natural).
 
#38
I think Troy's chord is a polychord of some sort- there's no way to tell much about it without knowing the context in which it is used.

The Electra chord is (lowest to highest)"
E, Ab, Db, F
resolving to
F#,Ab,Db,F (so a respelled F# maj, add 9)
so, the E is a kind of retardation to the F#. The environment is so highly chromatic and the landscape is non-functional- its hard to tell what in the hell is going on.....but it sure sounds good.
 
#40
adbass said:
There's no third there sonny. How're you comin up major?

It reminds me of the half-whole scale. Starting arbitrarily on F,

F-Gb-Ab-A-B-C-D-Eb

I don't know what that's called but I like the sound if it. Some kind of altered maybe. I use it all the time to riff off of 7th chords while soloing.
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Isn't that scale an octatonic scale? (Set 8-28 for you theory geeks from way back..)

GT
 

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