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Double Bass Giving up booze?

Hey, Ghook, greetings to another vet!

During my last visit to the Flagstaff VA CBOC, the RN told me about some new smartphone apps developed by the VA.

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Mindfullness Coach (excellent)
PTSD Coach (the concussion damage left me with some PTSD-like issues)
Concussion Coach (that one hurt)

I'm only 30% disabled, but sometimes it feels like more. But what's great is the VA's new approach to alternative treatments. My VA doc just got me a paid-for 12-session acupuncture program. Surprisingly good results so far! Love to minimize the pharmaceuticals!

I have used the PTSD coach for a few years. I'm very functional , as are so many of us. I know not drinking goes a long way to make that the case. The only observable and debilitating aspect I now have, since I quit drinking, is a crazy fear of heights, bridges , balconies etc. The crazy thing was I flew often for business while I was a drinker and beaucoup hours in Huey's and Hughes 500's. That being said, well worth the hassel of knowing Ill never fly again but be sober not doing so, lol Welcome home brother !
 
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Hey, Ghook, greetings to another vet!

During my last visit to the Flagstaff VA CBOC, the RN told me about some new smartphone apps developed by the VA.

Search for:

Mindfullness Coach (excellent)
PTSD Coach (the concussion damage left me with some PTSD-like issues)
Concussion Coach (that one hurt)

I'm only 30% disabled, but sometimes it feels like more. But what's great is the VA's new approach to alternative treatments. My VA doc just got me a paid-for 12-session acupuncture program. Surprisingly good results so far! Love to minimize the pharmaceuticals!
Excellent resources, thanks. I have a mate who could really use these apps. :thumbsup:
 
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My nephew died last month. He was 55 and a lifetime alcoholic. His liver and kidneys just shut down. So sad. He could play Crazy Train note for note, brilliant guitarist. And he wasted his life to alcohol. I was one of the few people in the world who got to hear him. I didn't have much contact with him the last year he was alive, too screwed up. He was like a son to me and alcohol ruined his life.
 
My nephew died last month. He was 55 and a lifetime alcoholic. His liver and kidneys just shut down. So sad. He could play Crazy Train note for note, brilliant guitarist. And he wasted his life to alcohol. I was one of the few people in the world who got to hear him. I didn't have much contact with him the last year he was alive, too screwed up. He was like a son to me and alcohol ruined his life.

So sorry to hear about your nephew. Alcohol is deceptive--when you reach a certain age, you think it's something you have to do, then you think it's essential to having fun, then it is part of being sociable. All too often it ends in tragedy, like with your nephew. My sincere condolences.
 
stopped July of 2017 man; it'd been a long time coming... I decided to stop after a night out with some "friends" ended up not being as fun as a night home with my music or studio... Luckily I did not make the decision from a rock-bottom place (which I'm grateful for)... instead, for me, it ate up so much of my creativity, so much of my time -- both during and after (getting old sucks lol), and of course a lot of cash.

It's been about 2 years and I'm happier and feel freer, more creative, more passionate about everything I do -- I don't stumble when trying to put together a sentence (at least not in person lol), and I feel tons more confident. Nobody pushed me to quit; in fact, I kinda left behind a large group of former drinking buddies -- but that's all they were --unfortunately after taking a step back, I realized this was all I had in common with most of them.

Since then I've gone on to take classes, join clubs, make short films and the extra room I made in my life attracted a lot more people who were more in-tune with being creative and doing things that aligned more with what I wanted out of life. I also saved a ton of cash which of course went towards music gear. I downloaded the 'quit that' app (free in the App Store), and this is what it looks like today based on my weekly spend -- I included costs associated with drinking -- Uber/Taxis, Restaurant bills and tips (because who wants to cook when you can order), and of course just stocking-up on liquor/beer/champagne for parties, etc.

My wife also stopped out of the blue and on her own, and it's been an amazing journey and made me 10x more grateful and just happy overall. Ps it took a while, but all those empty calories came melting off, as did other empty/bad habits... all the things that were fun as a teenager became fun again -- going out to movies, reading books, playing games, long conversations -- things I did before booze became the ultimate social device... it's been great for the soul.

Good luck if you do it, do what feels right to you and take it easy on yourself in the process :)
 

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I haven't had a drink in almost a month. I had an accident (not drinking related) where I fell and needed some stitches in my forehead. After that, I just didn't feel like it and wanted to give it some time anyway because of a minor concussion. I actually feel great. I did dry january this year as well. I don't have to keep at it (don't have a problem), but I may just keep it up for the summer... haven't quite decided yet... but I also don't want to overthink it and go with what feels good if I'm not feeling like drinking.
 
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The song wasn't a prize?
well you know, I have never been a real "alcoholic", even if I have been really close to become one last year. And I have not anything against enjoying a drink, I just stay away from it in this period of malaise because I would not drink with the right disposition (and control)
But what better and happier occasion for a beer than celebrating something good? I enjoyed it, this time.
 
well you know, I have never been a real "alcoholic", even if I have been really close to become one last year. And I have not anything against enjoying a drink, I just stay away from it in this period of malaise because I would not drink with the right disposition (and control)
But what better and happier occasion for a beer than celebrating something good? I enjoyed it, this time.


Much love my dude.
 
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At 58, 100% VA SSDI permanent disabled since leaving Music Graduate school in 2004, 25 years technically abstinent but barely recovered due to changing to even worse addictions and staying mentally sick with all the character defects except for lessening resentments and greater gratitude for what I have received from a loving Higher Power of my understanding, I am finally realizing I’ve just got to keep trying to change my reactions to things that continue to baffle me. Why can’t I get along with other musicians before or after I got sober? Or anyone else for that matter? Few people or things could get through my old wall I built before I heard Roger’s Wall in 1979 around the time I barely graduated high school and started my 40 year chemical
and behavior addiction odyssey throughout the world. My musician AA buddy of 24 years who is still alive and sober and was kind of a sponsor played a big role. He, like me, quit the music scene after hitting AA. He had a family of his own. I never did. I chose the easier softer way. I ran 40 years, most of them dry, but most of them sick. You can’t recover if the victim self pity run and gun wheels keep spinning. The music really helped of the nonbass persuasion. But in the end after burning all the other sonic bridges I wanted to come home to the electric low tones and came here.

I’m in outpatient daily mental health rehab at the VA and have other issues. I still couldn’t play tonight at an open mic club with others who were using and socializing with alcohol. The recovering heroin addict veteran friend who invited me there was clean and supportive but I still couldn’t deal with it. There’s a demon of my own creation in my old mind, a relic of the wall built much earlier in time. Come out, unclean spirit. I don’t need you anymore. I don’t want to die with you in control. I built you. Boy, it’s so hard to set it free, sober or not.

My condolences to the person here who lost his nephew to this disease. The chemical technically did the body in, but in my limited understanding he, like me, is/was in the deadly throes of the prison of our own mind. I found great help in the AA big book and the Higher Power theology, my conception of which has changed throughout the years, but no matter how much ground I covered there were those same old fears. I kept turning and running away. Myself and others dearly paid. I tried to turn the page tonight by attempting to play on a club. Nope, I ran. Not because I was tempted to use, I just didn’t want to see the old altered minds and bodies of older versions of myself and friends of long ago and hear the old soundtracks before I got sober.

So tonight is done. I stayed clean but the sober thing still is a work in progress. This morning I am scheduled to accompany on 12 string guitar a music therapist in a rehab VA class.

On to the next breath.

Barney
 
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At 58, 100% VA SSDI permanent disabled since leaving Music Graduate school in 2004, 25 years technically abstinent but barely recovered due to changing to even worse addictions and staying mentally sick with all the character defects except for lessening resentments and greater gratitude for what I have received from a loving Higher Power of my understanding, I am finally realizing I’ve just got to keep trying to change my reactions to things that continue to baffle me. Why can’t I get along with other musicians before or after I got sober? Or anyone else for that matter? Few people or things could get through my old wall I built before I heard Roger’s Wall in 1979 around the time I barely graduated high school and started my 40 year chemical
and behavior addiction odyssey throughout the world. My musician AA buddy of 24 years who is still alive and sober and was kind of a sponsor played a big role. He, like me, quit the music scene after hitting AA. He had a family of his own. I never did. I chose the easier softer way. I ran 40 years, most of them dry, but most of them sick. You can’t recover if the victim self pity run and gun wheels keep spinning. The music really helped of the nonbass persuasion. But in the end after burning all the other sonic bridges I wanted to come home to the electric low tones and came here.

I’m in outpatient daily mental health rehab at the VA and have other issues. I still couldn’t play tonight at an open mic club with others who were using and socializing with alcohol. The recovering heroin addict veteran friend who invited me there was clean and supportive but I still couldn’t deal with it. There’s a demon of my own creation in my old mind, a relic of the wall built much earlier in time. Come out, unclean spirit. I don’t need you anymore. I don’t want to die with you in control. I built you. Boy, it’s so hard to set it free, sober or not.

My condolences to the person here who lost his nephew to this disease. The chemical technically did the body in, but in my limited understanding he, like me, is/was in the deadly throes of the prison of our own mind. I found great help in the AA big book and the Higher Power theology, my conception of which has changed throughout the years, but no matter how much ground I covered there were those same old fears. I kept turning and running away. Myself and others dearly paid. I tried to turn the page tonight by attempting to play on a club. Nope, I ran. Not because I was tempted to use, I just didn’t want to see the old altered minds and bodies of older versions of myself and friends of long ago and hear the old soundtracks before I got sober.

So tonight is done. I stayed clean but the sober thing still is a work in progress. This morning I am scheduled to accompany on 12 string guitar a music therapist in a rehab VA class.

On to the next breath.

Barney
Another disabled vet here, wishing you the best...and actually giving a $hit.

Have any of your VA contacts mentioned their smartphone apps?

Mindfulness Coach is really helpful! Worth checking out!

I also use the PTSD Coach and Concussion Coach apps.
 
I’ll try that mindfulness coach app. PTSD is mysterious bear. Started DBT stuff 12 years ago. Leaning on an old time ex musician AA etc sponsor still kicking it at 75, a 11 month sober music army vet in my VA outpatient rehab program and a 62 year old 6 month clean from heroin 100% disabled guitar player I’m starting to play bass with again for support. I plan to head back there later today.


Really appreciate your time here too.

I’m starting an evaluation for Multiple Sclerosis tomorrow. My new payee is a pain but I asked for help. Lots of vets get ripped off but as the old zep song goes ain’t nobody’s fault but mine. She’s already led to a $1000 loss by leading me to maybe live at a dope hangout but don’t want to sing that self pity song again. 4th step! Dead sang victim or the crime. Trying to do the steps again, especially 4 and 11. Leaning on HP. Went on a road trip to Seattle to maybe consign my bass the store liked when I showed them pics of the one I bought here. Ended up keeping it and bought a new Aguilar SL112 cab at full price to go with the used genz Benz shuttle 3.0 I bought Friday in Portland Oregon for $333 with a beat up no name 115 cab thrown in for free.

The last time I was in Seattle was early last year after relapsing on gambling after yet another rehab. She needed help to prepare her for surgery and I left her to rot and I gambled the rest of the year. When I left the Bass Shop Saturday practically broke from all the buying I’ve done lately to fill the gambling void, I texted a prayer to her old number assuming she was dead. She is still alive and was happy to hear that I had also survived. She was deeply traumatized but apparently not angry. Needs time. I cried and promised to stay clean from gambling and other stuff. I made it back to Oregon clean and safe.

The place where I am playing bass with this 62 year old hopefully ex heroin addict guitar guy is in the town my ex girlfriend was born at.

Higher Power you say? Extravagant promises? We think not. Just gotta keep working at it. Take it easy. Give thanks and pray. Day by day. I’m still trying.

Thanks for YOUR service, then and now,
Barney
 
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Addiction is the disease and 'choice', is what fuels it. ... Blaming yourself, for your choices, seems to be a popular step into controlling your choices. ... But, it never address 'the why'? ... An old friend, who had a problem with his addiction choices, joined AA and went faithfully for a few years until he realized he had replaced one addiction with another. ... Then quit that and started making better choices in his life. ... Choices are the one control we have to have a better life. ... Having one drink and and walking away is one choice. Sitting around to finish a case of beer is another. ... It's easy to see which choice would have a better out come.
 
How does sobriety affect performing? If you are newly sober, you may find something is missing or doesn’t feel right. You just need more time playing sober.

I can tell myself that I’ve had plenty of good performances while drinking, but I know for certain that every time I embarrassed myself on stage (or off), alcohol was involved.

When I got sober at the age of 35, I sold all my gear because I didn’t want to be at rehearsals or gigs where there was alcohol. About a year later I heard a live band and knew that I needed to start playing again. I’ll celebrate 30 years of sobriety soon. My sobriety has made me a better musician and a better band-mate.
Yes. 10 weeks sober after many, many years of daily drinking. I drank mostly because it helped quiet my mind when performing, helped me to get into that 'space' where I could relax and access deeper levels of creativity. I felt that I played better with it (and many people actually told me this as well). It also made me angry, unstable, depressed, confrontative; interfered with the quality of my sleep and mental clarity and cost me a couple of major relationships because of it. I recently woke up one day and did not feel like drinking, same with the next day etc. and now 10 weeks and counting. I don't miss it much as I sleep SO much better, am less depressed, lost 15 pounds, have a clear head, am saving money etc. I miss it most when playing - initially it just felt very weird. My playing felt stiff to me, lacking passion. All the mental chatter came back - 'am I really good enough to be playing with these amazing musicians?' Over two months though this has been slowly getting better and I am beginning to REALLY enjoy playing again - I am even practicing and dedicated to working on the weak spots in my playing, and my friends say I am playing better than ever. I am also back to meditating, doing breathing practices etc. which help with the playing. I guess I will just see what I feel like tomorrow!
 
Yes. 10 weeks sober after many, many years of daily drinking. I drank mostly because it helped quiet my mind when performing, helped me to get into that 'space' where I could relax and access deeper levels of creativity. I felt that I played better with it (and many people actually told me this as well). It also made me angry, unstable, depressed, confrontative; interfered with the quality of my sleep and mental clarity and cost me a couple of major relationships because of it. I recently woke up one day and did not feel like drinking, same with the next day etc. and now 10 weeks and counting. I don't miss it much as I sleep SO much better, am less depressed, lost 15 pounds, have a clear head, am saving money etc. I miss it most when playing - initially it just felt very weird. My playing felt stiff to me, lacking passion. All the mental chatter came back - 'am I really good enough to be playing with these amazing musicians?' Over two months though this has been slowly getting better and I am beginning to REALLY enjoy playing again - I am even practicing and dedicated to working on the weak spots in my playing, and my friends say I am playing better than ever. I am also back to meditating, doing breathing practices etc. which help with the playing. I guess I will just see what I feel like tomorrow!
This is just awesome! Props!

It was developed by the VA for vets, but you might want to check out the Mindfulness Coach smartphone app. I think you would find it beneficial. Helps me!

Here's a link to the Android version (I assume there's an iPhone version, as well).

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gov.va.mobilehealth.ncptsd.mindfulnesscoach
 
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I'm drinking again. Heavily.
I hope this awful period ends soon, I blatantly have problems to keep control in times of sorrow, or distress, or when I am worried about something. :(
Last night I drank something like 5 or 6 beers, I can't even remember. Drinking and smoking like if there was no tomorrow. I don't know how could I manage to get out from my bed and go to work this morning. I think I have to admit this is an addiction, and I'm worried about this too now.
 
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I'd never say I've "quit" drinking, but I've gone through phases. Drinking a lot of Scotch and Whisky was tearing up my stomach and making my acid reflux worse. When I was drinking a lot of high end beer it tended to eat up my evenings. A pint of 8-9% beer is no small thing. At least not for me.

Money is really the thing I noticed. Drinking is an expensive habit when you really look at it. It is sort of a luxury behavior. Especially if you are doing it at bars, and/or drinking the good stuff.
The very long term physiological damage from heavy habitual drinking is pretty well documented. I'd say cut it in half or make it an every other day sort of thing. See how that goes.
 
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