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GK Combo Shootout...MB210 vs. MB212

#421
jmain said:
Maybe I just get another 112 and be done.

edit: Actually, not a lot more cab volume if you look at dimensions. But yeah, there is more.
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There may not be a BIG difference...

I was stunned at how close the MB212 (after break-in) got to matching the volume of a 410 cab. Doesn't mean it had the lows or the overall volume potential of the 410, but it was close enough "for me" because I don't play in loud groups (right now).
 
#423
jmain said:
Maybe I just get another 112 and be done.

edit: Actually, not a lot more cab volume if you look at dimensions. But yeah, there is more.
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tallboybass said:
There may not be a BIG difference...

I was stunned at how close the MB212 (after break-in) got to matching the volume of a 410 cab. Doesn't mean it had the lows or the overall volume potential of the 410, but it was close enough "for me" because I don't play in loud groups (right now).
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You have to weigh both issues with these two rigs; do I need the volume or do I need the light weight, giggable feature the MB212 offers? The MB212 will definitely be loud enough to do a local bar gig but if you need something more, well, that's all up to you. I have a GK 700rbII with a 212 and 410 but I'm using my MB212 and keeping the big rig in storage right now.
 
#424
I hear you guys. I only need a loud rig every once in a while, that's why I've kept my 410. But mostly its been in ears. And if I just need a stage monitory, the 112 can usually do that. I think my days of super loud and no PA may be over. (But then I get a msg day before yesterday wanting me to do an outdoor rock show with a heavy-handed drummer. Will probably have PA though.)

I could just leave the 410 in the basement for the rare time I need the big guns, and just use my 112 in the jam room. Just making me think it would be cool to have a 212 combo that is as light as my 112 cab. Just don't have lots of extra room for the big rigs. Basement is tight too.
 
#425
capnsandwich said:
You have to weigh both issues with these two rigs; do I need the volume or do I need the light weight, giggable feature the MB212 offers? The MB212 will definitely be loud enough to do a local bar gig but if you need something more, well, that's all up to you. I have a GK 700rbII with a 212 and 410 but I'm using my MB212 and keeping the big rig in storage right now.
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Well said!

If you're doing a LOUD gig where huge, crushing volume is necessary....don't bring a combo. ANY combo.

If you really NEED a lightweight rig that is super quick to set up, easy to move around AND you don't play crazy loud AND you like GK sound...this could be the one.

We all have to make that decision on our own. ;) I sure love mine.
 
#426
Well, here is my first impressions of the MB212-

Wow! I had played the one I have now with my Geddy and I thought it was terrific, but when I played my Schecter 5 string through it, it was the best I ever heard that bass! I was considering gutting the electronics in it, but I may keep them now. The tone is very flexible, which is a huge relief from the Orange I have. The boost control is great and I love the contour button alot!

As we speak, I am breaking in the amp with Om. I played some Michael Manring through it first so a cleaner bass player could warm it up. I have found that the horn is incredibly useful for the aux input, but when I'm playing, I have it off.

I'll report later on the clean sound as I get to know it better.

Effects - This is my favorite part about the amp!!! I have in my chain a EHX Hum Debugger, an EBS Wahone, EBS Multidrive, EBS Multicomp (I love me some EBS) and a DOD chorus pedal. With my Geddy, the tube settings on the EBS pedals growled at me through the MB212 like I never experienced. The Schecter sang with the tube settings, but when the contour was on and the flat setting on the Multidrive engaged, she screamed so loudly and clearly I knew this amp was one of the best investments I have made.

More impressions and thoughts to come.
 
#429
Hey guys I had a quick hijack question-

I recently moved to apartment and am not able to play my full rig at home anymore(:bassist:). So, I've been doing some research on a combo I can play at my new place. Since I already love GK I checked out the MB212. I LOVED it! However, I don't have any need for the amount of power the MB212 provides since I will primarily be playing whatever combo I go with at home. And, i feel like I'd be paying for so much more than I actually need.

So, I found the MB112 online and just wanted to see if it was the same thing with less power. I can't seem to find any good comparisons of the two. Will the 112 still provide the same tone and flexibility?

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#433
GaryLC said:
....and my MB212 is on the truck! Yee haw!!
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Best feeling in the world (besides the births of my kids). Congrats!

Drop-D said:
So if I can stand the wait, whatever it may be, it would indeed be the "smaller" version of the 212?

If that's true I think my search is finally over.
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There's always the MB210 that's just as available as the MB212 but it's about $100 less than the 212. If you can wait then wait but if you want it NOW, the MB210 is a good one as well. Good luck bro.
 
#434
Drop-D said:
So if I can stand the wait, whatever it may be, it would indeed be the "smaller" version of the 212?

If that's true I think my search is finally over.
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Totally different amp in there, 200 watts instead of 500. No master volume, heck, no boost control. It's a far cry from the MB212 if you ask me. But it 'might' sound great. You've probably got a looong wait to find out.
 
#438
Tony Wright said:
tallboybass...just so we are clear...those "crazy" settings were the ones that the soundman had to use to compensate for the room dynamics...well, "venue" dynamics (concrete ceiling and floor, polished granite back walls). He had to dial out the harmonics causing the roar on the "A". (Any "A" I played started a non ending roar.)

I am pretty pleased with the normal settings I use and the people who hear my MB210 (bandmates and the same soundtech and other musicians/audience, etc) all think it sounds just fine.

I realize I have a lot of lows "dialed out" on the amp, but I get plenty of low from the strings I use and from the tone/EQ on the P-Bass.
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For future reference...

"1/4 wavelength. A wavelength is 1130 (feet per second, the approximate speed of sound at average altitude and humidity) divided by frequency. So 100 Hz has a wavelength of 11.3 feet, 1/4 wavelength of 2.8 feet. The same applies to the distance from a wall in back of the cab, so problem rooms can be fixed with the right cab placement, and made worse with the wrong placement."

- Bill Fitzmaurice

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8901286&postcount=26

From one of Phil Jones' PJB manuals:

"Often, playing in different venues will cause your bass to sound different. This is partially due to the acoustics of the hall influencing the low frequency waves that are coming from your speaker. Bass waves are large and room dimensions heavily influence them when the walls reflect the sound waves, causing them to collide by adding together or canceling each other out. This causes some fundamental notes (the ones you feel more than hear) to ring out louder than others and some notes not to be heard at all.

Here is an indication of where fundamental bass frequencies are, showing open string's approximate frequencies and acoustic wavelength:

F# string - 24Hz - 46feet
B string - 31Hz - 36feet
E string - 41Hz - 27feet
A string - 55Hz - 20feet
D string - 73Hz - 15feet
G string - 98Hz - 11feet
C string - 130Hz - 9feet

This may give you some indication of the offending notes (frequencies) that may be booming or resonating louder or quieter than others. For example if your speakers are five feet from a wall, the open A string may sound weak. That could be because the path length of the reflected sound off the wall from your speaker is exactly corresponding to half a wavelength on the open A string causing at that particular note to cancel out."

Bottom line: try moving the cab around as the first step in combating unusually loud or dead bass notes.
 
#439
tallboybass said:
Just tried mine and you're RIGHT! Best way to get mic cable unplugged is to take the tip of your 1/4" jack and stick it in there between the mic cord and the case. Use it to push the little tab that locks the XLR in place.
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Is the XLR socket mounted in such a way as to allow for rotating/remounting it in order to improve locking tab accessibility?
 

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