Good tone from FRFRs?

[agedhorse]

Lemme tell Andy… I’ve heard some $H/7 from PRO companies let alone the amateur hour clubs around my neck of the woods.

That’s too bad.

 

[micguy]

I love the above post. Thank you.

You're welcome.

 

[paulraphael]

With subs and a substantial rig also comes the need to understand how to use it constructively, otherwise it can easily become destructive to the entire mix AND AUDIENCE EXPERIENCE.

I've been to several live shows in the last year at medium and big venues where the engineers seemed to use nothing but subs for the bass. You couldn't hear any of the notes ... just a throbbing rumble. This didn't have anything to do with how these bands usually sound. It just seems like a bad habit with the sound people.

I asked a friend at one of these shows if this was a local thing (all these shows were in Philly). He's a recently retired touring musician. He said he's been hearing it in other cities. But I don't hear anyone else complaining about it. I find it incredibly disappointing.

 

[Domespeed]

I've been to several live shows in the last year at medium and big venues where the engineers seemed to use nothing but subs for the bass. You couldn't hear any of the notes ... just a throbbing rumble. This didn't have anything to do with how these bands usually sound. It just seems like a bad habit with the sound people.

I asked a friend at one of these shows if this was a local thing (all these shows were in Philly). He's a recently retired touring musician. He said he's been hearing it in other cities. But I don't hear anyone else complaining about it. I find it incredibly disappointing.

same here in Germany, with very few exceptions…

Seems like modern PA systems are designed to have exaggerated sub lows and nearly no low mids

 

[Ritter667]

same here in Germany, with very few exceptions…

Seems like modern PA systems are designed to have exaggerated sub lows and nearly no low mids

I would think it isn't at the fault of the PA, but the sound engineer.

Perhaps many of them are used to do sound for more electronic based dance/pop music, where I think perhaps this kind of mix would probably make more sense.

 

[DJ Bebop]

Worth noting that there is no such thing as a TRULY FRFR speakers. No speaker can produce the “full range” of frequencies in an absolutely flat way… they just get as close as they can..

To go alone with that. It is always going to be a compromise its just a matter of how much are you willing to accept.

Do I want to take my whole rig for the perfect sound or do I want an easy load-in? If I go for the easy load-in, how close of an acceptable sound can I get to be comfortable in what I hear? If not, how much more money do I need to spend or what kind of exoteric gear or pedals do I need to peruse before I can be happy with or at least tolerate it on stage?

 

[agedhorse]

I would think it isn't at the fault of the PA, but the sound engineer.

Perhaps many of them are used to do sound for more electronic based dance/pop music, where I think perhaps this kind of mix would probably make more sense.

It’s what a good amount of the audience and some artists want these days, but imo it’s not beneficial to the music, experience or the mix.

 

[paulraphael]

I would think it isn't at the fault of the PA, but the sound engineer.

Perhaps many of them are used to do sound for more electronic based dance/pop music, where I think perhaps this kind of mix would probably make more sense.

Maybe so. These venues had modern, sophisticated looking PAs. The bad sound was someone's idea of good sound. One of the bands was The Cure ... so probably not some yahoo running the board.