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GR Bass review

#61
Al Krow said:
So here's my concern - just watch this for a few seconds and see just how easy it seems to be to knock over the 212/4 slim. Am I being unnecessarily worried about this issue?
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Here is my plan:
1) Get two of those cabs.
2) Build a small base and disguise it as an acoustic pad
3) Get to the gig early, setup the first cab in the base for stability, Velcro the 2nd cab to the first stacked vertically. Then run transparent thin line to the 4 corners of the top cab and tie it in to the ceiling.
4) When the rest of the band gets there tell them to be VERY careful as the stack could fall.
5) Watch the drummer and guitarist set up as far away from me as they possibly can
6) Grin and play the gig with plenty of space to move around

Whatcha think?
 
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bebass said:
Here is my plan:
1) Get two of those cabs.
2) Build a small base and disguise it as an acoustic pad
3) Get to the gig early, setup the first cab in the base for stability, Velcro the 2nd cab to the first stacked vertically. Then run transparent thin line to the 4 corners of the top cab and tie it in to the ceiling.
4) When the rest of the band gets there tell them to be VERY careful as the stack could fall.
5) Watch the drummer and guitarist set up as far away from me as they possibly can
6) Grin and play the gig with plenty of space to move around

Whatcha think?
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Brilliant! :laugh:

Should you just add:
Pre-gig: sort out a bank loan to acquire the new kit? This could be secured on future cash flows from bass sponsorship, given that audiences will clearly be able to see you for the first time as you perfect your dance moves.
 
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#66
MOSCOWBASS said:
Looking forward to your opinions ☺️
I cant see why both 212's aren't 900 watts...
Curious to find out.
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Yup it's an interesting one. I did my homework and given that loudness = (ratio of watts)^0.30103 by getting a 700W cab gets me to around 93% of the max volume of the 900W cab (other things being equal) and therefore hopefully ample. Being a 4ohm cab apparently will allow my amp to "breathe" more freely than my existing 8ohm cabs. But whether there's a scientific basis for that or it's an old wives' tale, I don't know!

But a 2x12 700W at 4 ohms cab should (fingers crossed!) be capable of delivering a fair bit more oomph than my existing 1x12 800W at 8ohms BB2, given that my DG M900 amp is rated at 900W at 4 ohms but correspondingly less at 8ohms, and two 12" speakers should be pushing out more air than one 12" speaker (I appreciate that speaker excursion and other factors come into play).
 
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#67
12bass said:
Actually, I'm probably not alone in saying that it would be greatly appreciated if you compared the GR cabinets with the Greenboys. If possible, it would also be nice to know if you were able to hear any sort of cabinet resonance in the graphite GRs, given that there seems to be some question about their lack of traditional damping material. Watching your GR Mini Rig review right now!
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But how do you suppose I compare a cab with a proprietary three-way crossover design, to a fairly typical (albeit nicely done) two-way cab? To me, it would be a stretch. I also have years of large venue experience with my Greenboys, and so far... I've only gigged locally on a GR 208. So... I'm at a loss to compare them. I'm getting my hands on an AT112/ONE 800 rig for some acoustic Mavericks shows, so that will be my next GR experience. I'd LOVE to try out an AT212 on a regular electric show... but it might not be enough.

Oh, and regarding the dampening on the AT cabs. What I was told is there is a layer of dampening material sandwiched in the layers of graphite material. So the walls are "internally dampened" you could say. There is no need for other material inside the cab GR says.
 
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Thanks for your reply, Ed.

For most players, the end result (mostly sound quality, in this case) matters more than the technology inside. And cabinets like those from Greenboy and GR Bass tend to be niche products which are not readily available for most of us to audition in a store. Thus, we rely on experienced reviewers like yourself to provide us with their evaluations, as many of these items are impossible to try ourselves before buying. We are able to read the ad-copy about the claimed benefits of the technology, but it's difficult to beat having a trained set of reviewer ears and A/B listening comparisons with known products.
 
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#69
FWIW, I could offer some comparisons between my True-3-way fEARful 15/6/1 and my Eden D-210XST. Both weigh about the same, but have rather different sonic attributes. The T3W fEARful is similar to a monitor or Hi-Fi speaker, whilst the XST has a narrower bandwidth, is more mid-centric, with less low and high end extension, and somewhat of a hole in the frequency area between the woofer and the horn tweeter. They both aim at a relatively uncolored sound, but the T3W gets much closer to actually achieving that goal, though I was pretty happy using the XST for years until building the T3W. The T3W makes the XST sound a bit like an AM radio in comparison.
 
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Have to 'fess that I'm a huge believer in the bass cab being a vital part of our signal chain. It's the bit that links everything else to the ears of our audience. So getting the best cab you can afford is IMO a really good thing for any bass player to do.

The fact Ed gave the 208s a thumbs-up tipped me over the scales in getting the AT212 (that, and being offered a used price for an almost new piece of kit - something I always find hard to resist! :D).

Sadly I don't have Ed's fingers otherwise I'd be able to provide a half decent A/B of a Fearless F112, which is an outstanding cab, and was also bought on the back of an EF recommendation (I'm clearly turning into an EF fanboy!:laugh:) with my incoming AT212.
 
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#71
Al Krow said:
Have to 'fess that I'm a huge believer in the bass cab being a vital part of our signal chain. It's the bit that links everything else to the ears of our audience. So getting the best cab you can afford is IMO a really good thing for any bass player to do.

The fact Ed gave the 208s a thumbs-up tipped me over the scales in getting the AT212 (that, and being offered a used price for an almost new piece of kit - something I always find hard to resist! :D).

Sadly I don't have Ed's fingers otherwise I'd be able to provide a half decent A/B of a Fearless F112, which is an outstanding cab, and was also bought on the back of an EF recommendation (I'm clearly turning into an EF fanboy!:laugh:) with my incoming AT212.
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Most of us don’t have Ed’s fingers so actually posting an audio or audio visual A/B even with rudimentary recording would be really useful to a lot of people in this bass community actually as it will be very true to life.
You are one of the few that are in a position to do it and with a Barefaced BB2 as well.
 
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12bass said:
FWIW, I could offer some comparisons between my True-3-way fEARful 15/6/1 and my Eden D-210XST. Both weigh about the same, but have rather different sonic attributes. The T3W fEARful is similar to a monitor or Hi-Fi speaker, whilst the XST has a narrower bandwidth, is more mid-centric, with less low and high end extension, and somewhat of a hole in the frequency area between the woofer and the horn tweeter. They both aim at a relatively uncolored sound, but the T3W gets much closer to actually achieving that goal, though I was pretty happy using the XST for years until building the T3W. The T3W makes the XST sound a bit like an AM radio in comparison.
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Well, there’s your answer.
 
#74
Apart from price, my concern about the carbon cabs is durability. I asked the lone CDN dealer about this and his answer was honest......if you smack the flat side of one of these boxes into a door jam or solid table, it's gonna crack. At least their very low weight makes them easier and less clumsy to carry, decreasing the odds of mishap. That said, they don't strike me as cabs to be left in a trailer or entrusted to others, but rather to be handled with care at all times. I suspect a cracked side would sent the box to the landfill, leaving only the drivers to be salvaged. I am curious as to the differences in sound between the 2x8 and 112. FWIW the dealer said the 112 projects better, and sees the 2x8 as more suited for near field applications.
 
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#75
Al Krow said:
Yup it's an interesting one. I did my homework and given that loudness = (ratio of watts)^0.30103 by getting a 700W cab gets me to around 93% of the max volume of the 900W cab (other things being equal) and therefore hopefully ample. Being a 4ohm cab apparently will allow my amp to "breathe" more freely than my existing 8ohm cabs. But whether there's a scientific basis for that or it's an old wives' tale, I don't know!

But a 2x12 700W at 4 ohms cab should (fingers crossed!) be capable of delivering a fair bit more oomph than my existing 1x12 800W at 8ohms BB2, given that my DG M900 amp is rated at 900W at 4 ohms but correspondingly less at 8ohms, and two 12" speak ers should be pushing out more air than one 12" speaker (I appreciate that speaker excursion and other factors come into play).
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Wil this ever be gigged? How will you mange to carry it. The Berg was never used because it was too big and heavy IIR.
 
#76
lomo said:
I suspect a cracked side would sent the box to the landfill, leaving only the drivers to be salvaged.
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Not necessarily, these guys fixed this and were sailing the next week ;):

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credit: Photosport
 
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#78
lomo said:
Cool shot......I'm not sure if "those guys" would be available to fix my cab :)
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I could do it, but I’m certainly not volunteering. That boat has an aluminum honeycomb core, which makes a carbon sandwich patch much more difficult, especially since it was submerged in salt water for a few hours.
 
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#79
My current rig:

GR Bass 212 slim
Quilter BB800
Ken Bebensee Semi-hollow uke bass

Total rig weight: 39.6 lbs.

I've read some of the posts regarding the tipsy nature of the 212 Slim. I initially had a TT-800 on top and the rig definitely felt like it was top heavy and tipsy. With the Quilter, being smaller and almost half the weight, it feels much more stable and I haven't had it vibrate off the top yet. I am hoping to take the whole rig to a rehearsal for the first time this week and give it a full volume workout to see how things go.

Didn't GR Bass have a 1x15 Aerotech cabinet?? I coulda done sworn I saw it on the websites several months ago.
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pingvuiini said:
My current rig:

GR Bass 212 slim
Quilter BB800
Ken Bebensee Semi-hollow uke bass

Total rig weight: 39.6 lbs.

I've read some of the posts regarding the tipsy nature of the 212 Slim. I initially had a TT-800 on top and the rig definitely felt like it was top heavy and tipsy. With the Quilter, being smaller and almost half the weight, it feels much more stable and I haven't had it vibrate off the top yet. I am hoping to take the whole rig to a rehearsal for the first time this week and give it a full volume workout to see how things go.

Didn't GR Bass have a 1x15 Aerotech cabinet?? I coulda done sworn I saw it on the websites several months ago.
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grbass.com/cabinet-carbon-fiber/at-115/
 
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