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GR Bass review

Just put up my demo of the AT208... And last week I did three acoustic Mavericks shows with the AT210 with a ONE 800 head, and I loved it! Totally gave me the presence I needed onstage, and we always mic the cab for most of the FOH sound. I played upright, abg, and the Cat bass, and they all sounded perfect. I was going to use an AT112, but the vertical array and slightly larger box were the right choice.

My Guitar tech picked it up the first time bracing for it to weigh about 40 pounds - he almost hit himself in the face with it!

 
First rehearsal with the rig tonight. Will *finally* get to test everything out full blast. Very happy how everything fits without having to extend the cart.
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Just put up my demo of the AT208... And last week I did three acoustic Mavericks shows with the AT210 with a ONE 800 head, and I loved it! Totally gave me the presence I needed onstage, and we always mic the cab for most of the FOH sound. I played upright, abg, and the Cat bass, and they all sounded perfect. I was going to use an AT112, but the vertical array and slightly larger box were the right choice.

My Guitar tech picked it up the first time bracing for it to weigh about 40 pounds - he almost hit himself in the face with it!


Great vid. Ed is the best.
 
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Just got back from rehearsal and I was VERY pleased with the 212 Slim. As shown in the previous photo I had everything loaded onto the cart but when I got to the studio I just carried everything in, it was all so light and less trouble than messing around with the cart.

Tonight I used the Quilter BB800 amp and finally got to see the speaker cones really move. At such volumes I did experience head creep and every time I moved it back to the middle it would always move back to the same place and stay there but not fall off. Still, I will get a piece of shelf liner or use a towel to prevent movement. Stability of the rig was fine with the smaller and lighter BB800 head.

My guitar player kept commenting how diamond clear the sound was but with lots of beefy bottom end too, which I concur. Much nicer sounding than the crusty olde Peavey and rattling 4x12 cabinet that I usually have to play through over there, and definitely more light and compact.

I am really enjoying the sheer simplicity and power of the Quilter BB800 with the sonic clarity of the GR Bass, both at home and at rehearsal. Next week I will try a different rig and see how it goes, but it will be very hard to beat the ease of transport, great sound and immense power of tonight's setup.

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Cool. This GR stuff has my attention. Once lockdowns are done here in Canada I`ll be testing one out. Looks like it might be a while yet. I`m very used to my very colored Walkabout and Scout combo though so the clarity of the GRBass may or may not suit me. I`ll perhaps need a colored preamp to go with it.
 
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To provide some context to the above post, here is the full review by that "someone" (aka me!) including comments in the second paragraph about how the damage arose due to poor packaging by the retailer of a used GR cab (i.e. this was not sent by GR Bass)

TLDR: I agree with @MOSCOWBASS and @johnpaulbass that the GR cabs stand up on a sound test very well to a high-end lightweight cab such as Barefaced and I think all three of us would say that the GR wins on overall sound quality, with an understandably bigger margin over the Super Compact than its more full range sibling the BB2. If GR can address construction concerns with their AT series cabs, they will most certainly have a winning product on their hands.

Sadly the cab had to go back due to one edge and associated corners being damaged by the courier en route. Tbf I've seen a lot better packaging of cabs from fellow BC'ers than occurred here : the retailer didn't have a particularly well fitting box, no bubblewrap and very minimal use of polystyrene both of which would have shielded the cab a lot better. But I get the sense that courier transport of cabs isn't risk free from comments elsewhere, although this experience didn't help with my concerns regarding the robustness of construction of these cabs.

Barefaced BB2 vs GR AT212-4 mini-shootout

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GRBass AT212, 4Ω - 700w, 12.9kg, 4Ω, 35Hz - 222kHz, 102dB. Signal chain: Spector Euro LX5 and DG M900 set flat / clean.

"Lockdown A/B" done with assistance from a family member who is a classically trained musician and undoubtedly has younger and better hearing than my aging ears!

Sound comparison – the GR AT is excellent!

EQ set flat on both amp and bass and played both (i) finger and pick and (ii) at both neck and bridge pups.

Immediately obvious that the AT 212 is louder at a given amp volume setting. This was entirely expected when pitting a quality 2x12 4 ohm cab against a 1x12 8 ohm cab. The amp master volume was adjusted to eliminate the volume difference when comparing the sound/tone of the two cabs.

Overall, there was not a huge amount of difference in tone between the two.

  • BB2 mellower and would probably sit better “in the mix”;
  • AT212 was richer and more resonant = more “acoustic” / akin to having reverb added to vocals. Its greater clarity and articulation mean that it would likely “cut through the mix” more easily.
Whilst they both handle the open low B well, the AT212 delivered the low B with more punch whereas the BB2 was slightly muddier.

From a sound / tonal perspective the AT212 got both our votes.

Aside: - when I had the amp set up to optimise the tone from the BB2 to my liking (slight boost to 'presence' i.e. upper mids and treble, v slight cut to mids and lower mids and v slight boost to bass at 80Hz to give a bit more low end "weight"), my co-listener preferred the BB2 to the GR Bass as the GR started to sound sound more "metallic" to her ears with those settings. However all that is saying to me is that optimising the sound for one cab with your amp EQ won't necessarily be optimal for another cab!

Construction / ease of "toppling"

I commented earlier about a concern over the GR cabs being easy to topple, based on a couple of YT clips, so I specifically checked for this. The BB2 and AT212 cabs are the same weight, with the weight distributed towards the front panel. This means they are pretty stable in three directions, but both relatively easily topple front-panel-forward if knocked from the back (or possibly tugged at by the lead connected to amp perched on top of the cab, although this is probably very unlikely); the BB2 with its lower centre of gravity is the more stable of the two. But given these are backline cabs this hopefully is not a major concern.

I have reservations about the apparent robustness of the construction of the GR cabs and the CEO is looking to address some of these e.g. with with strengthened corners and anti-scratch plastic / rubber bars. The BF has the feel of a sturdier construction e.g. the additional reinforced side panel on both the Barefaced BB2 and Fearless F112 structurally strengthen and provide further rigidity which the GR cabs could perhaps do well to emulate. He did say that in strength tests (e.g. being thrown 3 metres) the AT cab housing actually came out favourably against wooden housing.

IMO weight advantage is of no major benefit for pure home use and where damage is likely to be minimal; its real benefit is for the (aging) gigging bassist whose backs are not as strong as in their youth! By its nature of use, gigging gear is going to get more knocks and therefore needs to be robustly constructed and designed and which is partly why Boss pedals are so well loved.
 
To provide some context to the above post, here is the full review by that "someone" (aka me!) including comments in the second paragraph about how the damage arose due to poor packaging by the retailer of a used GR cab (i.e. this was not sent by GR Bass)

TLDR: I agree with @MOSCOWBASS and @johnpaulbass that the GR cabs stand up on a sound test very well to a high-end lightweight cab such as Barefaced and I think all three of us would say that the GR wins on overall sound quality, with an understandably bigger margin over the Super Compact than its more full range sibling the BB2. If GR can address construction concerns with their AT series cabs, they will most certainly have a winning product on their hands.

Sadly the cab had to go back due to one edge and associated corners being damaged by the courier en route. Tbf I've seen a lot better packaging of cabs from fellow BC'ers than occurred here : the retailer didn't have a particularly well fitting box, no bubblewrap and very minimal use of polystyrene both of which would have shielded the cab a lot better. But I get the sense that courier transport of cabs isn't risk free from comments elsewhere, although this experience didn't help with my concerns regarding the robustness of construction of these cabs.

Barefaced BB2 vs GR AT212-4 mini-shootout

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GRBass AT212, 4Ω - 700w, 12.9kg, 4Ω, 35Hz - 222kHz, 102dB. Signal chain: Spector Euro LX5 and DG M900 set flat / clean.

"Lockdown A/B" done with assistance from a family member who is a classically trained musician and undoubtedly has younger and better hearing than my aging ears!

Sound comparison – the GR AT is excellent!

EQ set flat on both amp and bass and played both (i) finger and pick and (ii) at both neck and bridge pups.

Immediately obvious that the AT 212 is louder at a given amp volume setting. This was entirely expected when pitting a quality 2x12 4 ohm cab against a 1x12 8 ohm cab. The amp master volume was adjusted to eliminate the volume difference when comparing the sound/tone of the two cabs.

Overall, there was not a huge amount of difference in tone between the two.

  • BB2 mellower and would probably sit better “in the mix”;
  • AT212 was richer and more resonant = more “acoustic” / akin to having reverb added to vocals. Its greater clarity and articulation mean that it would likely “cut through the mix” more easily.
Whilst they both handle the open low B well, the AT212 delivered the low B with more punch whereas the BB2 was slightly muddier.

From a sound / tonal perspective the AT212 got both our votes.

Aside: - when I had the amp set up to optimise the tone from the BB2 to my liking (slight boost to 'presence' i.e. upper mids and treble, v slight cut to mids and lower mids and v slight boost to bass at 80Hz to give a bit more low end "weight"), my co-listener preferred the BB2 to the GR Bass as the GR started to sound sound more "metallic" to her ears with those settings. However all that is saying to me is that optimising the sound for one cab with your amp EQ won't necessarily be optimal for another cab!

Construction / ease of "toppling"

I commented earlier about a concern over the GR cabs being easy to topple, based on a couple of YT clips, so I specifically checked for this. The BB2 and AT212 cabs are the same weight, with the weight distributed towards the front panel. This means they are pretty stable in three directions, but both relatively easily topple front-panel-forward if knocked from the back (or possibly tugged at by the lead connected to amp perched on top of the cab, although this is probably very unlikely); the BB2 with its lower centre of gravity is the more stable of the two. But given these are backline cabs this hopefully is not a major concern.

I have reservations about the apparent robustness of the construction of the GR cabs and the CEO is looking to address some of these e.g. with with strengthened corners and anti-scratch plastic / rubber bars. The BF has the feel of a sturdier construction e.g. the additional reinforced side panel on both the Barefaced BB2 and Fearless F112 structurally strengthen and provide further rigidity which the GR cabs could perhaps do well to emulate. He did say that in strength tests (e.g. being thrown 3 metres) the AT cab housing actually came out favourably against wooden housing.

IMO weight advantage is of no major benefit for pure home use and where damage is likely to be minimal; its real benefit is for the (aging) gigging bassist whose backs are not as strong as in their youth! By its nature of use, gigging gear is going to get more knocks and therefore needs to be robustly constructed and designed and which is partly why Boss pedals are so well loved.

Yes! That was you. I myself only recently joined Basschat during the TB outage, but I have only been lurking over there. Soon I will make an introductory post and hopefully will learn more Britishisms.
 
Yes! That was you. I myself only recently joined Basschat during the TB outage, but I have only been lurking over there. Soon I will make an introductory post and hopefully will learn more Britishisms.

It’s mainly cups of tea, binge drinking, rubbish fighting for no reason and childish tiffs/arguments and hark back to yesteryear as well as moaning about stuff all in jest and in the name of a good jape
 
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I’m picturing three little flip down outrigger legs made of some lightweight material, attached to two sides and the back, which wouldn’t impact the overall weight much. Or perhaps even better two triangular plastic or aluminum plates that snap on or Velcro to the two sides. Thus creating a wider base. Either would be easy to fabricate, be lightweight and a snap to apply and remove. This could be an optional factory accessory. GR, I’ll send my contact info for payment, thank you very much!!!! Lol.
The two triangle plates would be my choice.
 
Carbon fiber cabinets are really very light, and the damage is probably caused by couriers who, handling light packages, throw the packages without paying attention.
To solve this problem, we are replacing all packaging with boxes that can withstand drops of up to 4 meters.
We use very resistant products and this type of damage cannot be caused with normal use.
Customer satisfaction and assistance are fundamental to us, so we have already proposed to Mr. Al Krow, despite the fact that he bought the cabinet as used, to replace the product with a new cabinet completely free of charge.
We are trying to improve our products day by day to offer the best product on the market, and your every advice or criticism is important for us to improve ourselves.
Thank you all
 
Carbon fiber cabinets are really very light, and the damage is probably caused by couriers who, handling light packages, throw the packages without paying attention.
To solve this problem, we are replacing all packaging with boxes that can withstand drops of up to 4 meters.
We use very resistant products and this type of damage cannot be caused with normal use.
Customer satisfaction and assistance are fundamental to us, so we have already proposed to Mr. Al Krow, despite the fact that he bought the cabinet as used, to replace the product with a new cabinet completely free of charge.
We are trying to improve our products day by day to offer the best product on the market, and your every advice or criticism is important for us to improve ourselves.
Thank you all

I'd like it noted for the record, that I could not be happier with the level of customer service being shown by Gianfranco and his team. It has been responsive, personal and customer centric. This is not a one-off either: @MOSCOWBASS shared a similar positive experience with me about his dealing with the GRBass team. Bravo.
 
Carbon fiber cabinets are really very light, and the damage is probably caused by couriers who, handling light packages, throw the packages without paying attention.
To solve this problem, we are replacing all packaging with boxes that can withstand drops of up to 4 meters.
We use very resistant products and this type of damage cannot be caused with normal use.
Customer satisfaction and assistance are fundamental to us, so we have already proposed to Mr. Al Krow, despite the fact that he bought the cabinet as used, to replace the product with a new cabinet completely free of charge.
We are trying to improve our products day by day to offer the best product on the market, and your every advice or criticism is important for us to improve ourselves.
Thank you all

If Krow doesn’t want a brand new cab I’ll happily have it for him
 
To provide some context to the above post, here is the full review by that "someone" (aka me!) including comments in the second paragraph about how the damage arose due to poor packaging by the retailer of a used GR cab (i.e. this was not sent by GR Bass)

TLDR: I agree with @MOSCOWBASS and @johnpaulbass that the GR cabs stand up on a sound test very well to a high-end lightweight cab such as Barefaced and I think all three of us would say that the GR wins on overall sound quality, with an understandably bigger margin over the Super Compact than its more full range sibling the BB2. If GR can address construction concerns with their AT series cabs, they will most certainly have a winning product on their hands.

Sadly the cab had to go back due to one edge and associated corners being damaged by the courier en route. Tbf I've seen a lot better packaging of cabs from fellow BC'ers than occurred here : the retailer didn't have a particularly well fitting box, no bubblewrap and very minimal use of polystyrene both of which would have shielded the cab a lot better. But I get the sense that courier transport of cabs isn't risk free from comments elsewhere, although this experience didn't help with my concerns regarding the robustness of construction of these cabs.

Barefaced BB2 vs GR AT212-4 mini-shootout

View attachment 4240364

GRBass AT212, 4Ω - 700w, 12.9kg, 4Ω, 35Hz - 222kHz, 102dB. Signal chain: Spector Euro LX5 and DG M900 set flat / clean.

"Lockdown A/B" done with assistance from a family member who is a classically trained musician and undoubtedly has younger and better hearing than my aging ears!

Sound comparison – the GR AT is excellent!

EQ set flat on both amp and bass and played both (i) finger and pick and (ii) at both neck and bridge pups.

Immediately obvious that the AT 212 is louder at a given amp volume setting. This was entirely expected when pitting a quality 2x12 4 ohm cab against a 1x12 8 ohm cab. The amp master volume was adjusted to eliminate the volume difference when comparing the sound/tone of the two cabs.

Overall, there was not a huge amount of difference in tone between the two.

  • BB2 mellower and would probably sit better “in the mix”;
  • AT212 was richer and more resonant = more “acoustic” / akin to having reverb added to vocals. Its greater clarity and articulation mean that it would likely “cut through the mix” more easily.
Whilst they both handle the open low B well, the AT212 delivered the low B with more punch whereas the BB2 was slightly muddier.

From a sound / tonal perspective the AT212 got both our votes.

Aside: - when I had the amp set up to optimise the tone from the BB2 to my liking (slight boost to 'presence' i.e. upper mids and treble, v slight cut to mids and lower mids and v slight boost to bass at 80Hz to give a bit more low end "weight"), my co-listener preferred the BB2 to the GR Bass as the GR started to sound sound more "metallic" to her ears with those settings. However all that is saying to me is that optimising the sound for one cab with your amp EQ won't necessarily be optimal for another cab!

Construction / ease of "toppling"

I commented earlier about a concern over the GR cabs being easy to topple, based on a couple of YT clips, so I specifically checked for this. The BB2 and AT212 cabs are the same weight, with the weight distributed towards the front panel. This means they are pretty stable in three directions, but both relatively easily topple front-panel-forward if knocked from the back (or possibly tugged at by the lead connected to amp perched on top of the cab, although this is probably very unlikely); the BB2 with its lower centre of gravity is the more stable of the two. But given these are backline cabs this hopefully is not a major concern.

I have reservations about the apparent robustness of the construction of the GR cabs and the CEO is looking to address some of these e.g. with with strengthened corners and anti-scratch plastic / rubber bars. The BF has the feel of a sturdier construction e.g. the additional reinforced side panel on both the Barefaced BB2 and Fearless F112 structurally strengthen and provide further rigidity which the GR cabs could perhaps do well to emulate. He did say that in strength tests (e.g. being thrown 3 metres) the AT cab housing actually came out favourably against wooden housing.

IMO weight advantage is of no major benefit for pure home use and where damage is likely to be minimal; its real benefit is for the (aging) gigging bassist whose backs are not as strong as in their youth! By its nature of use, gigging gear is going to get more knocks and therefore needs to be robustly constructed and designed and which is partly why Boss pedals are so well loved.
Thanks for that man!
 
Had my second full blast rehearsal with the 212 Slim, this time with the Mesa TT-800. Once again, load in was a breeze as I was able to carry everything in one trip with no cart. I tried out both channels of the TT-800 and had all the tone knobs set to 12 oclock, letting the onboard bass preamp handle all the tone adjustments. Plenty of volume from the cabinet even though the cones didn't move all that much. Still a bit of head creep, but less than the Quilter BB800 due to weight, so still need to get that shelf liner. I have mentioned previously how the 212 Slim is so light and the tall profile makes it seem topheavy and tispy even with an amp as light as the TT-800. As long as I make sure not to tug on the instrument cable there should be no problem, but I have been contemplating a mini wireless system like the Sennheiser XSWD Instrument. Aside from the overall great performance of the entire rig, we played pretty well and made good progress because the drummer actually studied the songs a bit and knew all the changes and endings (gasp!). A good night.

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@pingvuiini you have some fantastic gear!!

"I have mentioned previously how the 212 Slim is so light and the tall profile makes it seem top heavy and tispy even with an amp as light as the TT-800. As long as I make sure not to tug on the instrument cable there should be no problem..."

That's really interesting - and has been my main concern with 212 Slim since seeing it nearly knocked over in the YT review I posted a few weeks back.

"...but I have been contemplating a mini wireless system like the Sennheiser XSWD Instrument."

I recently got the Boss WL-20 and am really enjoying it's ease of use - and would be very happy to recommend if your looking at mini wireless.
 
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My vote would be to keep the aluminium strips and upgrade the corners to steel.
To me the look of aluminium really sets them apart even more from other brands.
Some internal bracing to reduce vibration/head creep.

Hi, thanks for your opinion.
We love our aluminum bars because they are unique to us!
In the ultimate Cab version we use a very hard plastic.

GR Staff
 
In the ultimate Cab version we use a very hard plastic.

GR Staff

The ultimate cab version = Aerotech??

The new website looks great! I was wondering if it would be possible to post dimensions and weight in inches and pounds for all products?? (Some products have them, most don't).

Are the dimensions of the Aerotech 1x15 correct?? According to my calculations 39cm wide = 15.35 inches which is just barely over the width of the speaker itself. The wood 1x15 has 47.5cm wide = 18.7 inches, which seems more reasonable.