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Grain filling dilemma--what to do next?

JayGunn

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Jan 24, 2010
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Chapel Hill NC
I am getting ready to finish a body with teak top and back. Teak is porous and I am planning on doing a gloss finish on this one. You can see the pores in this picture, but based on what I have done so far I did not expect there to be any(!)

TeakBodyPoreProblem.jpg


- I sanded the (bare) body to 600.
- Applied a coat of Zinsser Seal-Cote, applied with a foam brush, also lightly fine sanded.
- Tinted some Timbermate with Transtint dark mission brown and applied it with a putty knife
- Gave it a week to dry
- Sanded the Timbermate with 220, 320, 400
- Applied a second Seat-Cote

That's how I got to this point. On my scrap piece it seemed to come out perfectly flat and filled. Maybe I over-sanded the body after that...it looks like I never used any pore filler at all after applying the shellac.

This is the tinted Timbermate applied very heavily onto the test piece
PasteFillerOntoScrap.jpg


This is the paste going onto the body. Putty knife, lots of pressure, diagonal strokes. Seemed like I was behaving properly(?!)
PasteFillerOntoBody.jpg


Here's the question; which plan should I go for?

Plan A1 - get some Z-poxy, tint it dark, and apply it over the shellac (which I'll have to sand just a little). Maybe need 2 coats with light sanding.

Plan A2 - do the Z-poxy but first sand it all back to bare wood first.

Plan B - start spraying a light and a heavy coat of Profinishers water based floor finish. Sand that back somewhat. Rinse and repeat until I can level it with no more evidence of pores, then spray a few more coats and level and buff it out.

Plan C - keep applying Seal-Cote and sanding back until the pores are gone, then go to the acrylic gloss.

Plan D - something you suggest I haven't thought of yet.

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Many luthiers here have reported that their grain filler sank after a year, so they switched to epoxy. But my grain filler seems to have disappeared completely after a week or so. Maybe I sanded back too far after applying the Timbermate, and maybe when I applied it I didn't shove it in deep enough, so effectively I removed it. But it sure looked good when I reached for the Seal-Cote.
 
You may have applied your seal coat too thick, if you put too much sealer on and the surface becomes glossy then the filler will struggle to stick. It's also possible you over sanded as you suspect...this is likely as you worked through several grades of paper. You do not need to work through so many grits, you can simply start and finish on your final (320 or 400) after the filler has dried. If you make sure you wipe off all the excess before it dries you really don't need to sand much at all.

Edit: it's also completely normal to require more than one coat of grain filler, I always do two. Not saying that's the case though as your grain doesn't look like it has been filled much
 
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Good theory, Manton. I'm taking MPU's advice to start over and sanding down to bare wood today. Ordered Z-poxy Finishing Resin yesterday evening from Amazon. Picture to follow when it's really filled and ready to spray.

Thanks, all.